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and good evening everyone welcome to

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arcane radio I'm Sean the for chop for

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her joined by launch Tripler tonight and

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the weather is just hampering some of

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our technical issues but we're here

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nonetheless LAN how the hell are you

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tonight big guy I'm doing all right yeah

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it's the weather the weather screwing us

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up twice I sigh I thought it yeah that's

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aw offer and that's all come back so

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yeah it's but it's playing havoc escapes

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having them just going crazy so

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hopefully we'll get through this tonight

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we'll get it figured out we got a good

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show tonight mr. David Weatherly's on

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the program David's joining us folks if

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you're familiar with David you probably

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go to his website to Crow's paranormal

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his blog site where he talks about

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black-eyed kids and all kinds of strange

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weird phenomenon we're glad to have him

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on the program tonight

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he's been hard to get on the program

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we've had various reasons we've had to

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cancel our programs with them and the

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weather is not making it any easier

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tonight

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no you know I don't know why it just

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seems like it happens I mean every time

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we schedule David there seems to be an

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issue somewhere down the line so you

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know hopefully things go okay tonight

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it's like something doesn't want us to

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talk to me wrong perhaps he's closer to

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the truth than we'd like to believe

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maybe who knows who knows but we're here

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tonight lon snowing down here in wait or

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up here in Williamsport Pennsylvania

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weren't expecting that well I guess I

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was expecting it but not expecting to

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get any because this whole years been

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nothing but lies for snow and we finally

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got some yeah they've been lied to you

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but we get dumped on soon and force you

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down here and in Maryland it's it's been

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pretty snowy I don't know how much we

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got last night but it was a decent

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amount and so this toughest I think it

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started to sleep now and I got to go out

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the more and I'm not looking forward to

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it so I'll be safe out there you know I

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have to go home tonight after the show

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so I'll be driving from the studio in

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downtown Williamsport we've relocated a

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course

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folks may know to our nice little studio

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here and it's nice and cozy as I can sit

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and watch the snow fall out the window

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it's pretty it's a nice nice ambiance

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and I'm just glad to be here tonight

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long like I said a good show with David

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but I didn't get to watch the x-files

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tonight either so I'm gonna be behind

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the time some two episodes behind now

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yeah I had to record it myself I was you

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know I I dozed off be honest with you

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hey but sitting here I was in there

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working on some stuff and I dozed off

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and the only if first thing I know my

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son's in here is English every night

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yeah this week this week a lot of weird

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stuff I got some pretty interesting

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inquiries this week first off our buddy

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Stan Gordon he put out his final report

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strange encounters UFOs mysterious

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it's like it is almost every year

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there's a lot of weird stuff you know in

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this stuff that doesn't include the dog

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and you know we all know about that and

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in fact I want to talk to David about

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that a little bit tonight but his stance

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got a few oddball things up here so if

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you want to go read what his what his

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report is for 2015 you can go to fans

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and monsters are gonna Stan's website at

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www.nsiindustries.com ona sweeping

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across Pennsylvania

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and of course you've been on top of that

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yeah and these flying rays that have

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been coming out of nowhere the last

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couple years that you've been on top of

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so some really strange cryptids out

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there aside from the Bigfoot that have

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really caught our eye here at least on

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arcane radio freedoms and monsters and

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of course folks you can always go to the

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website phantoms and monsters dot-com

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and check out all the articles and

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stories that lawn and butch and everyone

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else has been investigating great stuff

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on there

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great reports from JC Johnson out there

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in the Four Corners area just just

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loaded with information so if you want a

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good cryptid story go out and go to fans

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and monsters comm or go onto amazon.com

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and by Lon's books and our buddy butch

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is gonna be on coast Coast AM on the

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20th 1 o'clock a.m. he's gonna be

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talking about dog man phenomena on there

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so I guess he'll be on there with nori

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George Noory so that'll be interesting

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the the the information is getting out

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there's no doubt about it

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I've we had a few more reports come in

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and already talked about to report down

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in down in Franklin County but we've got

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a report also a possible report in New

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York Pennsylvania now - so and it's

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actually in the same area of York where

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we've been having the Bigfoot sightings

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that Jacobus area Stewartstown and down

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around there southern York County near

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the pencil a Pennsylvania Maryland

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border so I don't know I mean you know

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that's an area I'm moving up to sometime

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this year so you know maybe I get out in

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the field and start checking into some

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of that stuff but uh you know we've been

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getting a leave we get a lot of strange

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things up in that area now for the past

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year now I feel like if it gets you out

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there we're never gonna get you back now

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you go out there and follow something

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get lost maybe wander into one of those

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portals yeah my look

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would do you're still trying to get

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David polite he's on the show we still

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haven't given up on that yeah we've been

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trying he's been busy yes he's got a lot

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of stuff going on right now with you and

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that you know he had that movie going

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taping that and he's doing some other

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stuff too I mean I you know I just keep

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sending him emails hoping he's gonna

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answer me and say yeah I got a little

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bit time here I'll come oh so uh but you

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know we'll keep bringing good guests and

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hopefully we'll get David on beyond the

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edge and we had a really great interview

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with them over there

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and I'd like to have them on our program

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marketing radio you're listening to

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arcane radio calm and be glad to talk to

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mr. polite ease on our program and talk

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about some of these strange human

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disappearances and folks if you're

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interested in what's going on there you

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can get the books missing for one what

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is the series

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I don't recall the website off the top

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my head LAN what's the website its North

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American Bigfoot if you just put her on

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website mr. [\h__\h] yeah yeah yeah the

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books are missing for one one books I

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gotta get I gotta get the library I want

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to get the whole library and what's the

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five books now buy books now yeah I'm

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gonna get the hardback the hardback

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copies hardcover what the hell I'm

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talking about

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hardcover god I mean as if I need more

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books but you know you know I'm gonna

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pay for when I'm new to believe me I uh

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I it's gonna be a mess this is porkchop

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doesn't let me buy books anymore I have

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to get old digital but I don't listen to

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her and if I can sneak a book in here

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there I go ahead and do it I really had

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the rule book I'm because honest with

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its I don't know I mean I I I beat my

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books uh I mean I I told your them and

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notes and everything else then but you

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know that's just the way I am my process

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when I fall asleep at the iPad and I

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drop it on my face it hurts a lot more

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that was off and drop an iPad on my face

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it just doesn't feel the same as a nice

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soft paperback what you live and learn

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you live in one so what's been going on

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at Famous Monsters this week what do you

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got good for us I don't have anything

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good I've been way too busy ah yeah I

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got a really interesting sighting report

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mm-hmm the other day actually in the

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Phoenix area were they like no this has

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to do humanoids I don't know what it was

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the witness saw I'm actually digging

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into this now there are a few have

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stimulating circumstances I think and

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III think it has to do with somebody

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other than her but anyway I'm gonna go

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ahead and read what she sent me and some

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of the flower up I added to it as will

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I'm doing time with launch trailer I I

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received this inquiry on this past

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Wednesday from an elderly woman in the

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Phoenix suburbs of surprise surprise

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surprise Arizona

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she uh she witnessed two humanoid beings

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standing outside her bedroom window a

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few days before Christmas 2015

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now the following report includes the

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most of the information from the

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incident though there are a few personal

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notes that I redacted I actually called

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and talked to the witness Thursday night

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and I tend to get more information so I

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included everything in in this report

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now you know I'm present I'm presenting

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this case to readers and investigators

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as a means of additional data and

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knowledge about these beings because she

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was very alarmed by and I'll be honest I

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did a did a digital sketch of it and

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it's this is but these are pretty

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odd-looking

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beings so let me go ahead and read her

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initial email this was on February 10

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2015 I woke up about 1:30 a.m. and I

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glanced out my bedroom window and and

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that is what I saw two gray short people

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like figures with Coneheads the tallest

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stood approximately five foot tall

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excuse me four foot tall and the

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smallest is about three foot stood

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directly in front of the taller one

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they stood motionless I looked then

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looked again as I have never seen

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anything like this ever I set on the

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edge of my bed and I kept looking at

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them they didn't move neither one of

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them had facial features at all it

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appeared to me they had something over

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their heads to hide their appearance I

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didn't let my dog out as I didn't know

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what could happen I laid back down in

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bed and went to sleep

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I didn't awake until the next morning

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8:30 which was about seven hours and she

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explained to me when I talked to her

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that she just doesn't sleep that long

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she had the most she'll usually sleep

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about four hours but because of a

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medical condition she she has to get up

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and whatever they must put the knock out

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on her from what I can tell here now

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what she did she called the police a

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week or so later now they just told me

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to go to the ER or call the crisis

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center they wrote down the telephone

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number of the crisis center and they

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left my home about a week later I went

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to my church and the priest didn't

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believe me or didn't want to discuss

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this alien encounter which is you know

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and that's par for the course um never

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you know I didn't never wanted to talk

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about that so I have done a lot of

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research online and these greys with

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Coneheads have been seen before in order

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described as I have described them I

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have never believed in UFOs or

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paranormal sightings or have I ever

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reviewed any website on my computer

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until after I encountered these two

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great little great people looking my bit

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window this was not a dream I was

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completely awake no medicine I take has

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any side effects that were called me to

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hallucinate I'm a senior citizen living

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alone this has scared me they may knock

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they mate they haven't excuse me they

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may not have come back now they may come

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back I worry that they might come back I

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have so many questions I also called

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channel 113 EWTN TV the person I talked

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to a ewtn didn't believe me and did not

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want to discuss a matter well

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unfortunately that TV station is a

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religious station so and that doesn't

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surprise me there please I have not told

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my friends or family please help me with

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the answers I have I pray daily that I

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never see them again I called the

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witnessed and got some specific details

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the Lord was personal so she did state

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that these beings were full-length

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cloaks that were the same color which

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was like a grayish Brown and this was

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the same color as the cone-like covering

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over the head and face the [\h__\h] was more

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like a helmet she also stated that she

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never seats more than three hours

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without waking but you know she slept

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for the uninterrupted 7 hours when she

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states she has never done before since

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now there was a UFO sighting around the

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same time same day same time in size

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Arizona it was just a brief citing every

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blue a little light that shot over the

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homes in her neighborhood now

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after receiving all the additional

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details you know I came up with one

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possibility you know this just this is

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strictly a theory this in some respects

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these beings remind me the descriptions

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for the terrace

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species would you spell that te or OS

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now I I talked to by the dog I sent the

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information to Albert Rosales and had

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him look into it he agrees that these DC

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humanoids do look like a terrorist

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species these are suppose an earth

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underground dwelling race of humanoids

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with cone-shaped heads now they do have

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human-like facial features this may have

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been a face covering of some type they

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are also referred to as a Sunni up

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cinnamons sunaina's the yearly ones an

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ancient race that appears at certain

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times of the year some of the early

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Native people in North America made

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reference to them mostly in the desert

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southwest

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so reciting does kind of parallel the

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legend since its occurred in Arizona so

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you know as I said before in any

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information I can get anybody would be

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appreciated I am I want to try to figure

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out what this is now Albert sent me

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which is kind of interesting he sent me

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a sighting from Chile which happened the

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day before this sighting in Arizona and

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the descriptions are fairly similar so

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you know I don't know if it was related

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or not but uh you know this is this is

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this is a humanoid and you know of

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course Albert documents all these

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different human and so I was like a gray

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with a conehead or yeah I mean it she

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never saw any skin or where you want to

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call it no didn't see any hand she said

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they were covered up by a cloak she said

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that she didn't see down to the ground

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feet or anything though this this cloak

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may have covered it but the head was

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like a cone shape but it was covered

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with this

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that came down to the shoulders and

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fully enveloped the face so you know she

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didn't she didn't see any facial

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features and you know I this is odd I

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mean I I uh I don't I have no idea what

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it was really I mean I'm just

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speculating from what information I

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could get and I've sent this out to

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several people who do have you know have

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had reports of humanoids but of course

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Albert's probably the best source for

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this hopefully he may come up with

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something else but in the meantime I you

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know there are some extending with these

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circumstances not involving her and

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actually it's some personal stuff before

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the family goes so I don't know if

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there's a there's an instance or

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somebody in the family who action

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doesn't live here anymore

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has had these encounters and these

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things were seeking them I don't know

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she hasn't had anything since then so

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you know I'm just trying to keep her

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from freaking out on me because she's uh

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she was really upset I mean she was

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really upset so it's definitely

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something to be freaked out about I mean

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it yeah I couldn't imagine being a

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situation like that we kind of talked

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about that last week when we had bread

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Oldham on the show and you know how I

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feel about the abduction scenario to me

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it's just difficult to validate but

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these folks stories and whatever they're

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experiencing is very real to them and

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it's scary it's just horrifying well you

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know you get a report like this from

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somebody who has no idea and about in

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this phenomena and even though most most

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most most chances that they're really

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upset about it I think the information

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is you know it's new information and

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they don't have any reference as to

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being able to change it and you know if

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I can if I can get some other sightings

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similar to this maybe we do some

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pinpointing I be quite hostile with your

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Phoenix in the Phoenix area had this

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paint that that week of Christmas had I

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think I counted 11 UFO sightings in that

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week and that was off move far now

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another beat yeah yeah there was a lot

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of activity going on and you know I I

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don't I don't know you know if it's

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related or not but it's kind of

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interesting so we'll see

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yeah definitely definitely anything else

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you got yeah my researcher friend Jamie

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Bronson some the me and it's interesting

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because it was actually a call in when I

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was on coast to coast to the last time

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and I remember and I completely

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forgotten about it and he had he went

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ahead and transcribed it for me but this

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involves the carseats underground again

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now if you're not familiar with the

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court they'd underground it's it's a

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series of of caves and it's a huge

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system near Carthage Missouri and they

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they store food and have offices in

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there and there have been rumors that

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the Navy in the military have taken over

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parts of this system over the years and

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I had received a Reptoid

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report several years ago and that was

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yeah well it was pretty well known

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report well anyway this woman by the

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name of Connie had called in to push the

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coast and this is what she told me oh it

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was so I was calling about the karthi's

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underground

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there since 1996 we used to be able to

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drive in there and it was a huge cave

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it's man-made cave it's not natural they

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use it for offices storing food it's

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really cool in there I don't know what

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it is now but it's all locked up and

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secured see you can't get in there

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anyway 1996 had crew through there and

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it does have a little bit of a creep

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factor to it but one time I stopped by

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the Walmart in Carthage and I walk in I

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was in line I got a couple of items

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somebody behind me had stuff up on the

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counter and I just looked at and I

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thought huh they must be going camping

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because of like the stuff you use for

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camping but I knew this it's tremendous

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odor and I thought what the world is

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that you know that odor smell I can't

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even describe it was so bad and I turned

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it around and I looked at the man behind

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me and he was real tall wearing black

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clothes that dark hair but his eyes were

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slits and I mean they were I mean I got

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the biggest creep factor from it I mean

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I just thought he was pure evil at the

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time I didn't associate with the aliens

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or UFOs or anything like that but at the

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time I thought it was a demon because he

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creeped me out that was around the same

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time that I had been over at that cave

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and you know I tell you I've heard this

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these sightings of Reptoid like

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humanoids individuals have come from

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that Carthage area I know people do now

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take excursions on boat underneath those

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and in those caves now because there's

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an actual river runs through there

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so but I've actually had people tell me

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that they've been in there and seen some

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pretty odd things and and of course the

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original report that I had received was

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these two boys that had had taken their

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bikes and

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in there how they got in there I don't

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know but they they wouldn't pretty deep

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in and they actually got chased out by

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this reptilian type being and those

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reptilians yeah so I use another other

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ground facility but this thing this

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morning Karthi just huge now I don't

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even know what to do there am i I know

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there is a company that runs it what

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exactly it's useful now I don't know you

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know so there he go some strange

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encounters indeed well folks as I talked

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about before we got started with lawns

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weekly recap here

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David Weatherly is our guest tonight

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David Weatherly is a paranormal

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investigator an author for over 35 years

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he has explored the world of the strange

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investigating cases around the country

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and abroad he has written and lectured

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on a diverse range of topics including

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cryptozoology UFO ology and hauntings

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david has also studied shamanic and

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magical traditions with elders from

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numerous cultures including Europe Tibet

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native America and Africa he has

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appeared on numerous radio programs

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included coast to coast am dreamland in

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darkness radio david was also features

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and featured in Watchers 5 Let Me In he

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is a writer for intrepid magazine and as

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the author of the black-eyed children

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and strange intruders follow david on

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twitter at two crows para and his blog

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00:25:54,810 --> 00:25:51,429
at two crows paranormal which is h a two

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crows paranormal blog spot.com and when

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we come back from the break we'll be

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back with david Weatherly stay tuned

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folks we'll be right back alright folks

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welcome back arcane radio Sean Forker

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launched Strickler and our guest tonight

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mr. David Weatherly David thanks for

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joining us tonight

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hey guys thanks having me I want us all

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with the project our pleasure lon take

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it away well I get things situated here

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it's usually every time we try to get

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you on the show and something comes up

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and well we do have skinwalker report

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let's start off with that yeah sure man

541
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:47,299
this is uh this is pretty fascinating

542
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:48,410
you know long I've been collecting these

543
00:26:53,529 --> 00:26:51,110
things for just years and a lot of it

544
00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:53,539
you know now it's kind of bleeding over

545
00:26:57,370 --> 00:26:55,070
into the dog man stuff because there are

546
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,380
a lot of similarities but I've always

547
00:27:02,529 --> 00:26:59,360
been particularly fascinated with the

548
00:27:06,130 --> 00:27:02,539
whole skinwalker topic around the Four

549
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:06,140
Corners region primarily which is you

550
00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:08,210
know there Navajo and origin the term is

551
00:27:17,890 --> 00:27:11,510
but man I got this report that just came

552
00:27:19,899 --> 00:27:17,900
in and the you know it's it sounds

553
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:19,909
pretty valid the guy is was really

554
00:27:23,230 --> 00:27:21,650
shaken up when I talked to him I just

555
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:23,240
had sort of an initial interview with

556
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:25,370
him I'm actually going to get out to the

557
00:27:30,220 --> 00:27:28,370
site hopefully within about a week and

558
00:27:34,570 --> 00:27:30,230
see what I can find

559
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:34,580
but the the account is that this fellow

560
00:27:39,370 --> 00:27:37,250
and his girlfriend were driving it says

561
00:27:41,409 --> 00:27:39,380
in the Four Corners region I'm not going

562
00:27:44,919 --> 00:27:41,419
to give a specific location at this

563
00:27:47,580 --> 00:27:44,929
point obviously but he was driving in a

564
00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:47,590
sort of desolate area got a flat tire

565
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:51,470
now during the drive and this is a late

566
00:27:56,380 --> 00:27:53,510
afternoon early evening he had seen a

567
00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:56,390
couple of coyotes alongside the road

568
00:27:59,500 --> 00:27:58,130
which is you know not an unusual

569
00:28:04,930 --> 00:27:59,510
occurrence in that part of the country

570
00:28:07,899 --> 00:28:04,940
so you know another 15 or 20 minutes up

571
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:07,909
the road he gets a flat he pulls over

572
00:28:13,419 --> 00:28:10,850
and he starts repairing and he said that

573
00:28:16,659 --> 00:28:13,429
he was getting the spare out of the

574
00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:16,669
trunk he noticed these two coyotes were

575
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:18,020
back now they were a little bit in the

576
00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:20,570
distance but he saw them you know pretty

577
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:24,710
clearly good visibility he proceeded to

578
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,010
change his tire and he said that he just

579
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:30,320
started growing more and more uneasy as

580
00:28:34,990 --> 00:28:33,530
he was changing this tire now you know I

581
00:28:36,460 --> 00:28:35,000
don't know if you ever been out to this

582
00:28:38,289 --> 00:28:36,470
part of the country long but you know

583
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:38,299
parts of it are really just desolate I

584
00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:38,580
mean

585
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:40,500
and to drive for a long way and not see

586
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,490
anybody and on this particular occasion

587
00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:46,080
it was NOLA traffic or anything that

588
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:50,190
went by and he's he's just got the tire

589
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:52,710
on and he's starting to tighten the lug

590
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,140
nuts and he said he just felt the hair

591
00:29:02,450 --> 00:28:57,840
on the back of his neck go up and and he

592
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,460
rose up and looked across his car to the

593
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:04,320
side of the road where he'd seen the

594
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:07,890
Coyotes they were closer they were much

595
00:29:15,289 --> 00:29:11,130
closer and he said that has he watched

596
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:15,299
them that he felt like both of them were

597
00:29:20,899 --> 00:29:18,330
just kind of staring at him and one of

598
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:20,909
them was sitting on his haunches and the

599
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:22,710
other was sort of circling around with

600
00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:25,039
the one that was circling around

601
00:29:33,409 --> 00:29:29,940
suddenly rose up on time legs so that it

602
00:29:35,539 --> 00:29:33,419
was standing by idly and now a gentleman

603
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:35,549
giving me this account he's Navajo so

604
00:29:42,740 --> 00:29:39,720
but you know right away what came into

605
00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:42,750
his mind or you know I won't repeat his

606
00:29:47,149 --> 00:29:45,929
phrase but skinwalkers essentially and

607
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:47,159
he said that he didn't even finish

608
00:29:51,399 --> 00:29:49,260
tighten tightening lug nuts that he

609
00:29:53,899 --> 00:29:51,409
jumped in his car and start driving and

610
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:53,909
he said that he and his girlfriend just

611
00:29:57,289 --> 00:29:55,110
got out of there as quick as they could

612
00:30:01,519 --> 00:29:57,299
and that when he looked in his rearview

613
00:30:03,379 --> 00:30:01,529
mirror that he saw both of them what he

614
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:03,389
thought were coyotes standing on their

615
00:30:10,730 --> 00:30:06,809
hind legs and taking on almost a more

616
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:10,740
human form as how he stated it now like

617
00:30:13,789 --> 00:30:12,210
I said I'm hoping I want to get a lot

618
00:30:15,919 --> 00:30:13,799
more details in this account not sure

619
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:15,929
you know you associate enough when he

620
00:30:20,029 --> 00:30:18,299
was telling me about it and this

621
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:20,039
literally just had this happened this

622
00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:23,610
past week so it's a pretty hot report

623
00:30:29,419 --> 00:30:27,870
and meaning what what you know the creek

624
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:29,429
factor really goes up when you see

625
00:30:40,580 --> 00:30:32,100
what's supposed to be a normal animal

626
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:40,590
stand upon a time right yeah it's kind

627
00:30:47,629 --> 00:30:45,929
of rare to have multiples isn't it yeah

628
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:47,639
it's kind of unusual you know especially

629
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:50,850
with the skinwalker encounters typically

630
00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:52,490
it's people that see

631
00:30:58,090 --> 00:30:56,150
and of course you know we really when

632
00:31:00,370 --> 00:30:58,100
you start delving into the whole Navajo

633
00:31:03,250 --> 00:31:00,380
lore that surrounds the idea of

634
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:03,260
skinwalkers then you know a lot of the

635
00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:06,500
times people feel like there's a

636
00:31:12,010 --> 00:31:09,350
particular skinwalker that is stalking

637
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,020
them are coming after them because in

638
00:31:18,580 --> 00:31:14,240
the Navajo ability system a skinwalker

639
00:31:21,730 --> 00:31:18,590
essentially is a witch and it's black

640
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:21,740
magic it's dark magic now you know I

641
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:24,050
before anybody listening paint some

642
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:26,890
offending you know Western European

643
00:31:30,580 --> 00:31:29,210
practitioners of witchcraft or Wicca or

644
00:31:32,410 --> 00:31:30,590
any of the modern equivalents or

645
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:32,420
anything like that that's not what we're

646
00:31:37,930 --> 00:31:34,330
talking about at all

647
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:37,940
in the in the Navajo cosmology the term

648
00:31:42,580 --> 00:31:41,809
you know the rough western term equates

649
00:31:46,030 --> 00:31:42,590
to witch

650
00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:46,040
and it means someone who practices a

651
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:48,950
very dark form of magic which allows

652
00:31:58,110 --> 00:31:52,610
them to steal the form of another animal

653
00:32:01,450 --> 00:31:58,120
or person and they do this typically by

654
00:32:05,230 --> 00:32:01,460
stealing the skin hence we get the term

655
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:05,240
skinwalker and you know what happens is

656
00:32:08,650 --> 00:32:06,650
these practitioners they have to go

657
00:32:12,850 --> 00:32:08,660
through a whole series of initiations

658
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:12,860
and rituals and they will typically take

659
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:14,570
the skin of an animal what is most

660
00:32:22,030 --> 00:32:18,770
common as a coyote or wolf or a dog the

661
00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:22,040
the canid and they will steal the skin

662
00:32:26,919 --> 00:32:23,750
which allows them to shape-shift into

663
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:26,929
the form of that animal right now you

664
00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:28,130
know some of this kind of sounds like

665
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:30,440
you know fantasy or mythology or

666
00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:32,090
something to a lot of people but then

667
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:35,000
you can't discard that these accounts go

668
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:38,090
far far back in history and there are a

669
00:32:42,250 --> 00:32:39,710
lot of modern accounts that just

670
00:32:44,260 --> 00:32:42,260
continue and I think it's pretty

671
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:44,270
fascinating when you correlate it you

672
00:32:49,450 --> 00:32:46,610
know with the the European werewolf and

673
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:49,460
with of course the dog man sightings

674
00:32:56,530 --> 00:32:52,640
that largest you know cropping up like

675
00:32:58,780 --> 00:32:56,540
crazy all around this country yeah well

676
00:33:00,820 --> 00:32:58,790
you know we've been we've been looking

677
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:00,830
into some of the sightings in

678
00:33:03,910 --> 00:33:02,510
Pennsylvania that we've been getting the

679
00:33:06,910 --> 00:33:03,920
past couple years

680
00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:06,920
and I mean we've got I think we got it

681
00:33:12,550 --> 00:33:11,030
like 11 or 12 actual sightings now in

682
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:12,560
the past year oh yeah

683
00:33:16,690 --> 00:33:14,450
central pictures that's where this

684
00:33:20,860 --> 00:33:16,700
modern ones yeah and of course you know

685
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:20,870
I I contacted you last summer about that

686
00:33:28,210 --> 00:33:24,880
setting up near Denver and I mean for a

687
00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:28,220
it's GC was already up there JC and Jack

688
00:33:35,950 --> 00:33:32,270
Rory up there what you saw yeah yeah

689
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:35,960
that was kind of freaky you know I don't

690
00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:39,530
know I it does seem like there may be a

691
00:33:44,650 --> 00:33:42,350
connection I you know I'm not saying you

692
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:44,660
know I'm not saying it's skinwalkers

693
00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:48,770
what we're seeing up here in PA but it's

694
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:50,390
awful it's awful interesting that all

695
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:51,710
this stuff is cropping up all of a

696
00:33:59,740 --> 00:33:56,000
sudden it really is and you know I've

697
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,750
noticed you know I've done this stuff

698
00:34:04,540 --> 00:34:02,240
for four years and you see cycles of

699
00:34:06,820 --> 00:34:04,550
these things and part of it can

700
00:34:08,860 --> 00:34:06,830
certainly be attributed to things that

701
00:34:13,090 --> 00:34:08,870
bring it into the the mass consciousness

702
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:13,100
you know there'll be a lot of UFO

703
00:34:16,060 --> 00:34:14,690
specials or shows or something on

704
00:34:21,130 --> 00:34:16,070
television and all of a sudden you know

705
00:34:22,659 --> 00:34:21,140
the number reports of UFOs go up now we

706
00:34:25,330 --> 00:34:22,669
can always attribute you know part of

707
00:34:27,340 --> 00:34:25,340
that is okay mistake and you know people

708
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:27,350
are just they have it in a consciousness

709
00:34:33,070 --> 00:34:30,110
so it's a mistaken you know there's the

710
00:34:34,510 --> 00:34:33,080
mistaking something else but then you

711
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:34,520
know there's also the other factor and

712
00:34:41,139 --> 00:34:38,000
that's that people get more aware and

713
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:41,149
they also become more willing to share

714
00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:43,310
their accounts of these things and I

715
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:45,260
think that's part of what we see with a

716
00:34:50,590 --> 00:34:47,090
lot of these weird humanoid type of

717
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:50,600
creatures I had one Avenue a chance to

718
00:34:55,450 --> 00:34:52,490
talk to you about this either and it is

719
00:34:57,490 --> 00:34:55,460
not even on the blog but I had a report

720
00:34:59,950 --> 00:34:57,500
come in a couple of weeks ago from

721
00:35:03,070 --> 00:34:59,960
Kentucky of a dog man encounter and

722
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:03,080
oddly enough I saw someone on Facebook

723
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:06,410
just report that they were following up

724
00:35:11,740 --> 00:35:09,050
on a dogma and sighting in Kentucky and

725
00:35:13,570 --> 00:35:11,750
I haven't restyling contacted and yet to

726
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:13,580
see if it's in the same region but you

727
00:35:17,620 --> 00:35:15,650
know this this is weird how these things

728
00:35:20,319 --> 00:35:17,630
you know just crop up

729
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:20,329
together all of a sudden and it really I

730
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:22,250
think you validates it to a certain

731
00:35:26,769 --> 00:35:23,930
degree because here you have independent

732
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:26,779
people receiving these reports well you

733
00:35:32,049 --> 00:35:29,690
know three or four people in Kentucky

734
00:35:34,569 --> 00:35:32,059
didn't just suddenly decide to make up a

735
00:35:36,849 --> 00:35:34,579
dog man encounter or you know or

736
00:35:39,970 --> 00:35:36,859
suddenly mistake a bear for a you know a

737
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:39,980
by people tainted type of creature or

738
00:35:50,740 --> 00:35:41,750
something so there's there's something

739
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,750
very curious to that aspect of it yeah I

740
00:35:55,809 --> 00:35:52,640
mean now down in Kentucky now they've

741
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,819
had one phenomena that's been going on

742
00:36:00,549 --> 00:35:57,920
for a long time that beast between the

743
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,559
lakes thing I mean I don't know exactly

744
00:36:05,740 --> 00:36:02,480
what that is but there have been several

745
00:36:07,390 --> 00:36:05,750
reports about that but you know I don't

746
00:36:09,009 --> 00:36:07,400
know of any other down there you know of

747
00:36:11,259 --> 00:36:09,019
course there have been people that have

748
00:36:13,779 --> 00:36:11,269
written about you know certain sightings

749
00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:13,789
but it does seem that this Dogman

750
00:36:18,940 --> 00:36:16,220
phenomena is kind of moving out of the

751
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:18,950
Upper Midwest southern Ontario down into

752
00:36:24,339 --> 00:36:22,190
it like now Ohio and you know West

753
00:36:28,539 --> 00:36:24,349
Virginia PA and into the mid-atlantic

754
00:36:31,329 --> 00:36:28,549
now and you know are they actually

755
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:31,339
moving into these areas or people were

756
00:36:35,740 --> 00:36:33,890
just seeing them or just reporting them

757
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:35,750
and I think you're right I think people

758
00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:38,450
are actually seeing these type of

759
00:36:45,099 --> 00:36:41,990
reports on TV with the paranormal shows

760
00:36:46,749 --> 00:36:45,109
and you know you know they say well you

761
00:36:48,819 --> 00:36:46,759
know I saw something like yeah I'll go

762
00:36:50,589 --> 00:36:48,829
ahead and report it and you know I think

763
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:50,599
that may be the reason why we're getting

764
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:54,650
this stuff yeah I think that's one of

765
00:36:59,849 --> 00:36:56,930
the upsides to the paranormal becoming

766
00:37:01,900 --> 00:36:59,859
such a part of you know our culture now

767
00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:01,910
it's that people have become more

768
00:37:06,249 --> 00:37:04,700
open-minded I I mean I had joke all the

769
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,259
time about you know when I started in

770
00:37:10,450 --> 00:37:08,960
this field it I went to a party and told

771
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:10,460
people what I did you know I was

772
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:11,839
guaranteed a nice quiet evening by

773
00:37:16,660 --> 00:37:14,960
myself because everybody thought oh this

774
00:37:19,299 --> 00:37:16,670
guy's weird or you know I'm not talking

775
00:37:21,009 --> 00:37:19,309
about that stuff but it's really you

776
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,019
know it's completely opposite now you

777
00:37:25,029 --> 00:37:22,880
get to a party until much to do and

778
00:37:26,829 --> 00:37:25,039
people are lined up out the door because

779
00:37:28,299 --> 00:37:26,839
everybody has an experience everybody

780
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:28,309
has and I can't help they want to share

781
00:37:30,850 --> 00:37:30,170
whether it's about a computer or a

782
00:37:33,730 --> 00:37:30,860
haunting

783
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:33,740
or in a UFO site and I think that's

784
00:37:39,870 --> 00:37:35,930
that's one of the benefits of this but

785
00:37:41,740 --> 00:37:39,880
this this dog man thing you know it

786
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:41,750
people are always looking at this

787
00:37:46,810 --> 00:37:44,810
phenomenon especially the you know the

788
00:37:48,970 --> 00:37:46,820
dreaded skeptics and so forth and they

789
00:37:50,830 --> 00:37:48,980
say oh this is all new you know this is

790
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:50,840
you know fabricated because of this

791
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:52,910
movie or this TV show and such and such

792
00:37:59,350 --> 00:37:56,810
but really you know on I I dig into this

793
00:38:01,120 --> 00:37:59,360
phenomena and I find that really none of

794
00:38:03,130 --> 00:38:01,130
it is new I know you and I have talked

795
00:38:04,780 --> 00:38:03,140
about the black-eyed children accounts

796
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:04,790
and everybody assumes oh that's a new

797
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:07,850
phenomenon or really it's not it's it's

798
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:09,770
a new identity for a phenomena that's

799
00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:12,050
been around for a very long time and the

800
00:38:16,930 --> 00:38:13,460
same thing is obviously true with these

801
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:16,940
dog man encounters I think you had had

802
00:38:22,570 --> 00:38:18,640
crossed posted at some point some of the

803
00:38:25,050 --> 00:38:22,580
the things I put up about bits and

804
00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:25,060
pieces I found in folklore in

805
00:38:30,460 --> 00:38:27,350
Pennsylvania about these werewolf

806
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,470
encounters and yeah you're talking about

807
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:32,960
the 1800s people are seeing these things

808
00:38:38,530 --> 00:38:35,930
and because these are primarily European

809
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:38,540
settlers they're identifying them as

810
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:41,210
werewolves but you know essentially the

811
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:43,250
physical description is the same thing

812
00:38:47,110 --> 00:38:45,050
as what people are are talking about

813
00:38:52,090 --> 00:38:47,120
these dog men you know it's some kind of

814
00:38:55,540 --> 00:38:52,100
bipedal painted creature that you know

815
00:39:00,070 --> 00:38:55,550
in almost every account seems very sort

816
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:00,080
of malicious and and threatening so you

817
00:39:04,210 --> 00:39:02,690
know we we have to question you know

818
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:04,220
maybe the better question to look at is

819
00:39:10,810 --> 00:39:07,970
why now outside of people being willing

820
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,820
to talk about these encounters why now

821
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:13,280
are these things experiencing the new

822
00:39:17,470 --> 00:39:15,290
you know flap or cycle or whatever you

823
00:39:18,850 --> 00:39:17,480
want to call it that all of a sudden

824
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:18,860
we're having a lot of these things prop

825
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:22,490
up yeah I mean I've found encounters

826
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:25,910
back into the eighteen hundreds the in

827
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:29,930
fact the Amish made a couple reports

828
00:39:34,510 --> 00:39:32,240
over the years of duelo reports when

829
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,520
they started moving some of their forms

830
00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:36,320
out of Lancaster County down into

831
00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:41,150
Maryland and these duelo dog men upright

832
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,230
you know canids uh he's

833
00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:46,000
these were pretty common around the

834
00:39:55,319 --> 00:39:50,579
Frederick Maryland area uh several cell

835
00:39:58,349 --> 00:39:55,329
reports of the day oh so yeah you're

836
00:40:02,430 --> 00:39:58,359
right there these things are are part of

837
00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:02,440
the legend and in fact the the native

838
00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:05,230
the native people also had accounts as

839
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:08,020
well in central be a then letting an op

840
00:40:15,089 --> 00:40:10,089
a or the don't worry and they they have

841
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:15,099
a doorman legend as well that you know

842
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:18,210
it fairly parallels what we're getting

843
00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:21,609
so you know this is one of these things

844
00:40:24,930 --> 00:40:23,740
down when the weather breaks hopefully

845
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:24,940
they were going to be I've got in the

846
00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:27,490
field again and start trying to document

847
00:40:31,170 --> 00:40:28,900
some of this but I tell you something

848
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,180
some of the sightings that we have had

849
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:33,280
all right and that have been reported to

850
00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:36,640
us are really interesting and I mean

851
00:40:42,270 --> 00:40:38,680
there's there's even some supernatural

852
00:40:44,220 --> 00:40:42,280
aspect of sudden these as well and you

853
00:40:46,170 --> 00:40:44,230
know I I'm not gonna go here and say

854
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:46,180
well it's all flesh and blood I don't

855
00:40:50,819 --> 00:40:48,130
think that's the case I think there

856
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:50,829
there's some you know supernatural

857
00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:53,290
beings out there they're kind of mixing

858
00:41:02,430 --> 00:40:57,250
in and out so who knows but it is it's a

859
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:02,440
yeah yeah I absolutely agree with you on

860
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:05,650
that too you know there's just too many

861
00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:07,690
a lot of these accounts whether it's a

862
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:10,540
skinwalker or dog men you know and so

863
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:14,460
forth there's there's often very serious

864
00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:16,450
elements to the encounter of the

865
00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:19,270
sighting that sort of you know bend the

866
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:22,900
rules as we understand them in terms of

867
00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:26,170
physical laws and of course you know a

868
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:28,390
Dalek standing its hind legs alone it

869
00:41:32,430 --> 00:41:30,670
does you know walking around but you

870
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:32,440
know you get a lot of other elements and

871
00:41:37,650 --> 00:41:34,630
it's very interesting a lot of these

872
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:37,660
creatures you know you'll see accounts

873
00:41:45,180 --> 00:41:40,960
where they will exceed speeds that are

874
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:45,190
possible you know for for men or you

875
00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:47,890
know a dog or wolf or whatever it is and

876
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:49,990
you know you see cases where these

877
00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:53,050
things suddenly vanish or suddenly

878
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,790
appear so there are a lot of

879
00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:56,800
supernatural elements that do come in

880
00:42:01,740 --> 00:41:57,730
see

881
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:01,750
situations and you know you have to

882
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:04,480
question what the other factor you know

883
00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:06,609
going on here is I I know the account in

884
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:08,200
Kentucky which is

885
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:10,330
I don't unfortunately don't have a whole

886
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:11,710
lot of information on that one at this

887
00:42:16,980 --> 00:42:14,560
point either it's a woman who was

888
00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:16,990
relating the experience to me but she

889
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:19,390
said that the and this happened at her

890
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,030
home on a couple of occasions and she

891
00:42:25,859 --> 00:42:24,400
said the first time said two dogs that

892
00:42:29,730 --> 00:42:25,869
were in the house and they went

893
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:29,740
absolutely crazy you know at her kitchen

894
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:32,770
door trying to get out and and snarling

895
00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:34,690
and just you know she said they were

896
00:42:39,930 --> 00:42:36,700
acting so vicious like they wanted to

897
00:42:43,770 --> 00:42:39,940
attack something but what happened was

898
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:43,780
she had what he felt motion whites on

899
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:46,330
the back of her property and she said

900
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:47,890
that she was looking outside trying to

901
00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:50,050
determine what you know why these dogs

902
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:52,030
were reacting this way she was in a

903
00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:54,010
rural area there's plenty of wildlife on

904
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:56,260
and they you know around and she said

905
00:43:01,170 --> 00:42:58,090
they never react that way to you know

906
00:43:02,730 --> 00:43:01,180
deer opossum or anything else but yes

907
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,740
suddenly they were just going ballistic

908
00:43:09,690 --> 00:43:04,960
and she said that as she was watching

909
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:09,700
out her kitchen window the motion lights

910
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:12,490
came on has something entered that part

911
00:43:19,820 --> 00:43:14,890
of her yard and she said that it looked

912
00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:19,830
like a bipedal painted creature and has

913
00:43:26,609 --> 00:43:23,190
it took a few steps more into the light

914
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,619
she said that the her dogs suddenly just

915
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,720
turned tail and ran and in her into a

916
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:30,160
different part of the house and hid and

917
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:33,520
hid and you know it's always fascinating

918
00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:35,650
to me when you hear about any of these

919
00:43:40,140 --> 00:43:37,960
bizarre types of encounters where an

920
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:40,150
animal is present because obviously

921
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:42,010
animals have a different range of senses

922
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:45,280
than we do as humans and I I find that

923
00:43:52,109 --> 00:43:49,330
as a really interesting and different

924
00:43:54,750 --> 00:43:52,119
component to help us understand exactly

925
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:54,760
what these creatures are and you know

926
00:44:00,750 --> 00:43:58,960
something at first really set those dogs

927
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:00,760
off but then terrify them when they got

928
00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:07,810
a scent of it being closer yeah I mean

929
00:44:11,279 --> 00:44:10,030
we've also got something going on here

930
00:44:15,299 --> 00:44:11,289
in the age

931
00:44:17,730 --> 00:44:15,309
that uh it's kind of unused well it's

932
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:17,740
unusual it's natural the um we're

933
00:44:24,380 --> 00:44:20,079
starting to get a mix of coyotes and

934
00:44:27,769 --> 00:44:24,390
wolves in these area in this area

935
00:44:33,539 --> 00:44:27,779
coywolves room cause I went to call yeah

936
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:33,549
yeah and only as these coyotes were

937
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:36,160
moving east some of them got into Canada

938
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:39,760
and we're interbreeding with gray wolves

939
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:43,839
I know up in Maine and up in the

940
00:44:52,609 --> 00:44:47,010
Maritimes they've got some decent

941
00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:52,619
populations but I was told recently that

942
00:44:57,420 --> 00:44:55,180
some there have been some populations

943
00:45:01,019 --> 00:44:57,430
noted in Pennsylvania and it seems like

944
00:45:02,849 --> 00:45:01,029
these you know coyotes you know that's

945
00:45:05,490 --> 00:45:02,859
one there one of those that you know the

946
00:45:07,529 --> 00:45:05,500
usual standard ground I mean they're you

947
00:45:10,769 --> 00:45:07,539
know they react to sound but such with

948
00:45:14,130 --> 00:45:10,779
these uh these coils seem to want to

949
00:45:17,970 --> 00:45:14,140
stand their ground and in there they've

950
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:17,980
decent-sized canids so I don't know I

951
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:20,650
mean I heard I hope this doesn't turn to

952
00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:22,690
a problem but it you know I know they

953
00:45:30,349 --> 00:45:26,950
are starting to come in here well I know

954
00:45:32,460 --> 00:45:30,359
that you know coyotes have have spread

955
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:32,470
dramatically I mean they you know

956
00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:35,680
there's a lot of major cities that see

957
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:37,990
coyotes come into the city city limits

958
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:41,910
these days and it's you know very oh

959
00:45:46,799 --> 00:45:44,890
yeah yeah very intelligent and

960
00:45:48,990 --> 00:45:46,809
resourceful animal and of course you

961
00:45:51,180 --> 00:45:49,000
know they as you said they will run a

962
00:45:53,549 --> 00:45:51,190
sound but they're also you know the pack

963
00:45:56,299 --> 00:45:53,559
animals and they'll pray on neighborhood

964
00:45:58,500 --> 00:45:56,309
pets and things like that and you know

965
00:45:59,849 --> 00:45:58,510
there's a lot of these areas where

966
00:46:01,470 --> 00:45:59,859
people just can't leave their their

967
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:01,480
house pets outside are you more to the

968
00:46:06,089 --> 00:46:03,910
coyote to run off with them but these

969
00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:06,099
these these clear wolves I've seen some

970
00:46:12,269 --> 00:46:07,990
of the documentation on that too and

971
00:46:13,620 --> 00:46:12,279
it's a very curious hybrid you know

972
00:46:16,289 --> 00:46:13,630
that's been created from the two

973
00:46:19,099 --> 00:46:16,299
populations and you know who knows how

974
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:19,109
that plays into it I mean at the least

975
00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:22,089
it's it's a different animal that may

976
00:46:24,930 --> 00:46:24,190
factor into some of these sightings but

977
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:24,940
I

978
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:26,530
these are still not creatures that are

979
00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:29,710
going to stand up and run by easily no

980
00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:33,430
you're right and you know it kind of

981
00:46:38,190 --> 00:46:35,320
makes me think now doing you know Butch

982
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:38,200
and I have talked about this a lot how

983
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:40,450
many of these Bigfoot reports the

984
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:43,330
numerous Bigfoot reports that we get in

985
00:46:49,110 --> 00:46:46,440
Pennsylvania and in surrounding states

986
00:46:52,980 --> 00:46:49,120
that actually could be dull man reports

987
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:52,990
or upright candid reports yeah that's

988
00:46:56,490 --> 00:46:54,370
that's a good question

989
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,500
and so many of the reports you know

990
00:47:01,170 --> 00:46:59,200
they're there often when people saw you

991
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:01,180
know it running across the road or they

992
00:47:04,890 --> 00:47:03,010
saw it behind some trees and things like

993
00:47:08,970 --> 00:47:04,900
that and you know often there's not

994
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,980
enough of a you know prolonged sighting

995
00:47:12,990 --> 00:47:11,200
to get great details about the figure

996
00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:13,000
other than it's it's very large and

997
00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:16,270
bipedal and yeah you do have to kind of

998
00:47:20,580 --> 00:47:18,670
wonder that you know these dog mana

999
00:47:24,030 --> 00:47:20,590
sightings it's really weird la notte

1000
00:47:27,570 --> 00:47:24,040
because you know I've been down in South

1001
00:47:30,330 --> 00:47:27,580
and Central America and heard of dog man

1002
00:47:32,490 --> 00:47:30,340
type sightings down there so this is

1003
00:47:34,890 --> 00:47:32,500
sort of a universal thing and of course

1004
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:34,900
you know sasquatch-like creatures are

1005
00:47:41,010 --> 00:47:38,050
pretty much universal too but III think

1006
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,020
that it would pay to start looking

1007
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:42,880
closer like you said at some of these

1008
00:47:49,050 --> 00:47:45,970
accounts and see you know okay are all

1009
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:49,060
of these definitely Sasquatch sightings

1010
00:47:53,780 --> 00:47:51,370
or is there something else sort of you

1011
00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:53,790
know going along with that because

1012
00:47:58,980 --> 00:47:57,250
essentially these two types of creatures

1013
00:48:00,570 --> 00:47:58,990
Sasquatch and dog man i mean they would

1014
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:00,580
they would follow a lot of the same

1015
00:48:04,740 --> 00:48:03,310
patterns you know they would live out in

1016
00:48:08,430 --> 00:48:04,750
the wilderness there would be prey

1017
00:48:10,620 --> 00:48:08,440
animals and you know it's it's uh there

1018
00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:10,630
are predators excuse me so it's you know

1019
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:12,430
it's a very lot of lot of close

1020
00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:15,490
similarities between the two yeah sure

1021
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:18,820
is you have those reports where they get

1022
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:23,580
observation of these creatures and they

1023
00:48:27,630 --> 00:48:25,930
say they have a protruding snout and

1024
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:27,640
some of these Bigfoot reports so that

1025
00:48:31,980 --> 00:48:30,160
kind of no more validity to your to your

1026
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:31,990
theory there on some of those reports

1027
00:48:37,710 --> 00:48:35,410
might actually be dog man yeah I mean

1028
00:48:38,350 --> 00:48:37,720
it's uh you know it's under thinking

1029
00:48:40,810 --> 00:48:38,360
about now

1030
00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:40,820
we you asked been cross-referencing I've

1031
00:48:45,940 --> 00:48:42,140
been going back and looking at old

1032
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:45,950
reports I know butch has as well even

1033
00:48:49,930 --> 00:48:47,480
here in Maryland I've been checking a

1034
00:48:51,820 --> 00:48:49,940
few oh man I you know there you know

1035
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:51,830
sometimes you get a report that just

1036
00:48:59,770 --> 00:48:55,250
doesn't seem like you know the typical

1037
00:49:01,560 --> 00:48:59,780
Bigfoot report at one where is no

1038
00:49:04,810 --> 00:49:01,570
sighting but there's a lot of different

1039
00:49:06,310 --> 00:49:04,820
phenomena going on I mean it could very

1040
00:49:08,860 --> 00:49:06,320
well be something else other than a

1041
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:08,870
Bigfoot so um you know it's just

1042
00:49:13,780 --> 00:49:10,250
something it's like you said something

1043
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:13,790
think about you know I I'd be remiss if

1044
00:49:33,550 --> 00:49:15,890
I didn't ask you about the black-eyed

1045
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:33,560
kids reports all the time and most of

1046
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:36,290
them pretty much fall into the same

1047
00:49:43,060 --> 00:49:40,250
range of you know there's not a lot of

1048
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:43,070
variety with these entities whatever

1049
00:49:50,590 --> 00:49:48,050
they are but you know regardless I mean

1050
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:50,600
all the accounts are super creepy and it

1051
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,210
usually entails you know these things

1052
00:49:57,220 --> 00:49:55,280
approaching somebody or trying to get in

1053
00:49:59,590 --> 00:49:57,230
their their home or car or whatever I

1054
00:50:03,190 --> 00:49:59,600
tell you a couple of things that are

1055
00:50:05,770 --> 00:50:03,200
going on with that it seems now one it

1056
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:05,780
looks like we're in sort of a new cycle

1057
00:50:09,970 --> 00:50:07,970
of these accounts too because I know

1058
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:09,980
that you've posted a fair number of them

1059
00:50:17,110 --> 00:50:12,890
recently you know I've had a lot of

1060
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:17,120
reports there are other investigators

1061
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:19,310
that you know research doesn't collect

1062
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:21,050
there of course I know on Dave Schrader

1063
00:50:27,210 --> 00:50:22,930
Jason offered a lot of those guys

1064
00:50:30,130 --> 00:50:27,220
constantly getting these accounts and

1065
00:50:31,390 --> 00:50:30,140
you know I tried to throw some of them

1066
00:50:32,860 --> 00:50:31,400
up on the blog every once in a while

1067
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:32,870
because people are so fascinated about

1068
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:36,050
it one thing I have noticed that is sort

1069
00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:40,810
of curious what I am hearing more of our

1070
00:50:51,310 --> 00:50:46,270
encounters with black-eyed adults now

1071
00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:51,320
you know you have to consider I guess

1072
00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:52,070
that

1073
00:50:58,650 --> 00:50:55,070
the the sort of modern wave of these

1074
00:51:04,990 --> 00:50:58,660
like a kid encounter started in 97 and

1075
00:51:07,060 --> 00:51:05,000
you know this is 20 years on and it's

1076
00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:07,070
just kind of curious to me that when I

1077
00:51:13,420 --> 00:51:11,390
researched this first book which on the

1078
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:13,430
black-eyed kids which came out in 2012

1079
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:15,410
you know I had researched that for a

1080
00:51:21,790 --> 00:51:17,810
couple of years private previously

1081
00:51:25,180 --> 00:51:21,800
really heavy-duty I found very very few

1082
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:25,190
black eyed adult encounters you know

1083
00:51:31,050 --> 00:51:28,970
there'd be a few sporadic ones and a lot

1084
00:51:34,180 --> 00:51:31,060
of those could often be attributed to

1085
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:34,190
well you know it was a hoax or maybe

1086
00:51:40,810 --> 00:51:38,050
something else going on or whatever but

1087
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:40,820
but me and now they seem a lot more

1088
00:51:46,380 --> 00:51:44,810
common and and just bizarre things you

1089
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:46,390
know like people running into these

1090
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,010
strange people that you know Starbucks

1091
00:51:57,660 --> 00:51:51,440
coffee or or you know grocery stores and

1092
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:00,790
you know I haven't really looked at that

1093
00:52:06,670 --> 00:52:03,890
heavy heavily I just been so involved

1094
00:52:08,050 --> 00:52:06,680
with other projects but I hadn't noticed

1095
00:52:15,310 --> 00:52:08,060
there's a lot of these accounts coming

1096
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:15,320
in and and I I don't know book is

1097
00:52:22,030 --> 00:52:18,610
strange intruders you had a couple of

1098
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:22,040
blackout adult instances in there in

1099
00:52:26,590 --> 00:52:23,510
fact you had the one of this guy by the

1100
00:52:28,450 --> 00:52:26,600
name of more cell and this couple in it

1101
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:28,460
like eyes and yeah I think there's

1102
00:52:41,170 --> 00:52:29,690
another one that will grow by the name

1103
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:41,180
of Charlie in Florida there's a I tried

1104
00:52:49,210 --> 00:52:45,040
it there was one that came in and I

1105
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:49,220
remember and don't think I put this one

1106
00:52:54,310 --> 00:52:52,640
on the blog or anyone else but this was

1107
00:52:56,890 --> 00:52:54,320
in Florida also sorting anything

1108
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:56,900
together and it was an elderly couple

1109
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:00,800
actually who were I don't know they were

1110
00:53:04,990 --> 00:53:02,810
driving back from visiting their their

1111
00:53:05,799 --> 00:53:05,000
children or grandchildren or something

1112
00:53:07,959 --> 00:53:05,809
like that

1113
00:53:10,929 --> 00:53:07,969
and this guy reported to me that you

1114
00:53:13,749 --> 00:53:10,939
know they had stopped and eaten at you

1115
00:53:17,259 --> 00:53:13,759
know like a breakfast type of restaurant

1116
00:53:19,449 --> 00:53:17,269
or something and that it was one of

1117
00:53:21,009 --> 00:53:19,459
these restaurants that had a little gift

1118
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:21,019
shop and it you know like Cracker Barrel

1119
00:53:27,849 --> 00:53:23,390
high places and things like that did and

1120
00:53:29,799 --> 00:53:27,859
he said that his his wife came running

1121
00:53:33,059 --> 00:53:29,809
over to him because he was paying the

1122
00:53:35,229 --> 00:53:33,069
bill and she said there's a very I

1123
00:53:36,339 --> 00:53:35,239
forget what words you used but she

1124
00:53:41,709 --> 00:53:36,349
basically said there's this really

1125
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:41,719
creepy man who is following me around I

1126
00:53:47,439 --> 00:53:45,680
want to leave and let's start you know

1127
00:53:49,630 --> 00:53:47,449
he's like ex-army or something and he's

1128
00:53:52,269 --> 00:53:49,640
like you know what you know I'm not

1129
00:53:54,489 --> 00:53:52,279
having any of that Sophie you know he

1130
00:53:57,789 --> 00:53:54,499
does walking over to see what this guy's

1131
00:54:01,660 --> 00:53:57,799
problem is well he he wasn't there where

1132
00:54:03,219 --> 00:54:01,670
his wife had pointed and so they go

1133
00:54:06,489 --> 00:54:03,229
ahead and leave they get in their car

1134
00:54:08,859 --> 00:54:06,499
and as they're pulling out of the

1135
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:08,869
parking lot and his wife says oh my god

1136
00:54:14,349 --> 00:54:12,079
there he is and he has standing at the

1137
00:54:18,939 --> 00:54:14,359
front outside of this restaurant and he

1138
00:54:20,799 --> 00:54:18,949
was just sort of staring at them and now

1139
00:54:24,939 --> 00:54:20,809
at this point you know neither one has

1140
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:24,949
said anything about black guys but she

1141
00:54:31,479 --> 00:54:28,400
had said later on she said that when the

1142
00:54:34,989 --> 00:54:31,489
guy approached her she thought he was

1143
00:54:37,509 --> 00:54:34,999
some kind of a pervert because he walked

1144
00:54:42,009 --> 00:54:37,519
up and he and he was looking at the

1145
00:54:48,429 --> 00:54:42,019
floor and he said you know you have

1146
00:54:50,289 --> 00:54:48,439
white shoes and you know she got really

1147
00:54:52,029 --> 00:54:50,299
creeped out as any woman would you know

1148
00:54:54,130 --> 00:54:52,039
this guy got a shoe fetish or you know

1149
00:54:55,809 --> 00:54:54,140
what's going on here yes some weirdo so

1150
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:55,819
she ran away from and told her husband

1151
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:58,249
you know two of them pulling out and

1152
00:55:02,439 --> 00:55:00,799
here's this guy standing it you know in

1153
00:55:05,049 --> 00:55:02,449
front of the restaurant and just kind of

1154
00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:05,059
glaring at them well you know she's

1155
00:55:08,859 --> 00:55:07,369
yelling at her husband to just go just

1156
00:55:10,059 --> 00:55:08,869
get out of here and the husband's kind

1157
00:55:13,269 --> 00:55:10,069
of like that you know I'm gonna let him

1158
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:13,279
have it or whatever and he stops the

1159
00:55:21,820 --> 00:55:19,250
vehicle gets out and the guy's not there

1160
00:55:24,130 --> 00:55:21,830
and he said it really puzzled him

1161
00:55:26,740 --> 00:55:24,140
because there was nowhere for this guy

1162
00:55:30,460 --> 00:55:26,750
as he said to take cover to hide or

1163
00:55:32,140 --> 00:55:30,470
anything else so he well you know maybe

1164
00:55:34,330 --> 00:55:32,150
a scared and maybe ran off of whatever

1165
00:55:41,770 --> 00:55:34,340
and gets in his car and they they drive

1166
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:41,780
on and they can get you know an hour

1167
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:43,910
down the road or something and they stop

1168
00:55:54,430 --> 00:55:50,330
at a rest area and they both get out to

1169
00:55:57,550 --> 00:55:54,440
use the bathroom and the gentleman said

1170
00:56:01,930 --> 00:55:57,560
that as he was walking towards the men's

1171
00:56:05,710 --> 00:56:01,940
room there's this guy it's the same guy

1172
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:05,720
he's standing there by the door for the

1173
00:56:15,250 --> 00:56:12,640
men's room and this guy ex-army you know

1174
00:56:17,980 --> 00:56:15,260
basically a retired badass looks like

1175
00:56:19,870 --> 00:56:17,990
this guy and said that he just got the

1176
00:56:22,330 --> 00:56:19,880
creepiest feeling he'd ever had in his

1177
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:22,340
life and he said this guy was just

1178
00:56:34,590 --> 00:56:26,570
looking at him dead on and he says solid

1179
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:34,600
black eyes and he just he said that he

1180
00:56:40,180 --> 00:56:37,970
walked back across to the outside of the

1181
00:56:42,190 --> 00:56:40,190
ladies didn't even go to the restroom

1182
00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:42,200
and he just all he could think of was

1183
00:56:47,950 --> 00:56:45,320
just walk away walk away so that's what

1184
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:47,960
just kept repeating in his mind was I

1185
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:49,310
got to get away from this guy and he

1186
00:56:54,070 --> 00:56:52,610
said that he you know went over waited

1187
00:56:56,140 --> 00:56:54,080
for his wife as soon as she was out of

1188
00:56:59,320 --> 00:56:56,150
the bathroom and didn't tell her said

1189
00:57:01,690 --> 00:56:59,330
just we need to go so right away and got

1190
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:01,700
in the vehicle and he finally told her

1191
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:04,610
when they were at home but you know and

1192
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:06,050
they lived through three hours away but

1193
00:57:09,820 --> 00:57:08,090
he said that he was paranoid the whole

1194
00:57:11,590 --> 00:57:09,830
way home and kept looking in the

1195
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:11,600
rearview mirror and kept thinking is

1196
00:57:16,750 --> 00:57:13,450
this guy following us what's going on

1197
00:57:18,340 --> 00:57:16,760
never saw a vehicle that you know stayed

1198
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:18,350
the same followed in the hallway or

1199
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:19,520
anything like that

1200
00:57:26,890 --> 00:57:24,250
so you know again here we go this

1201
00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:26,900
bizarre phrases that don't make any

1202
00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:27,620
sense

1203
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:32,990
you know these this sort of aura

1204
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:37,760
of you know malicious intent and you

1205
00:57:41,710 --> 00:57:40,130
know this guy he told me you know this

1206
00:57:44,290 --> 00:57:41,720
is not a guy you mess with but he told

1207
00:57:46,170 --> 00:57:44,300
me he said David he said I just knew

1208
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:46,180
that I could not tangle with this guy

1209
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:50,240
and that I had to get away from him I

1210
00:57:54,370 --> 00:57:52,730
just had to be away from him you know

1211
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:54,380
that's kind of similar on the way to the

1212
00:58:02,200 --> 00:57:58,490
incident that JC and Jack had on the

1213
00:58:05,260 --> 00:58:02,210
four corners last year with the that

1214
00:58:10,210 --> 00:58:05,270
woman who had approached them with the

1215
00:58:18,780 --> 00:58:10,220
black eyes that's right that was and she

1216
00:58:21,220 --> 00:58:18,790
was walking in the middle of nowhere and

1217
00:58:23,380 --> 00:58:21,230
that's yeah that's that's what's

1218
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:23,390
fascinating account and she talked about

1219
00:58:30,250 --> 00:58:28,970
creepy and no it was a situation I don't

1220
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:30,260
know if you've had JC on the show to

1221
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:32,210
talk about this or not my dad you know

1222
00:58:38,349 --> 00:58:35,210
they're driving and you know this was

1223
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:38,359
woman and like any you know any of us

1224
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:40,490
would stop and say hey are you okay

1225
00:58:45,130 --> 00:58:42,170
you know you're in the middle of this

1226
00:58:46,660 --> 00:58:45,140
where you know is if something happened

1227
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:46,670
you know why this woman out here and and

1228
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:48,650
they you know they pulled up next to her

1229
00:58:53,470 --> 00:58:51,410
and put the window down and man when she

1230
00:59:03,670 --> 00:58:53,480
turned and glared down in the car at

1231
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:03,680
them solid black eyes and I are I mean

1232
00:59:09,010 --> 00:59:05,570
you know you know and juicy a long time

1233
00:59:12,730 --> 00:59:09,020
longer than I have and that that

1234
00:59:15,060 --> 00:59:12,740
incident really shook him up it real it

1235
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:15,070
really shook him up and I you know JC

1236
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:17,210
yeah I've been out in the field with JC

1237
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,849
I mean he's he's seen a lot of weird

1238
00:59:23,470 --> 00:59:21,440
stuffs it's like I have he's and you

1239
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:23,480
know encountered a lot of things and you

1240
00:59:28,359 --> 00:59:25,369
know followed up on a lot of cases and

1241
00:59:30,849 --> 00:59:28,369
that that really shook him up on I mean

1242
00:59:34,660 --> 00:59:30,859
he was uh you know of course he

1243
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:34,670
contacted me right away and and just

1244
00:59:40,270 --> 00:59:37,760
very bizarre and I you know I'm trying

1245
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:40,280
to remember now the details because they

1246
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:43,520
sound maybe you remember this they found

1247
00:59:49,420 --> 00:59:46,730
a painting or something

1248
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:49,430
do you remember that that they it was in

1249
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:53,510
uh oh gosh it's gonna bug me now because

1250
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:55,310
I can really really good with all these

1251
01:00:00,310 --> 00:59:57,050
kind of details they saw painting

1252
01:00:03,460 --> 01:00:00,320
somewhere that really resembled this

1253
01:00:06,130 --> 01:00:03,470
woman what I remember was that you know

1254
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:06,140
that Jesse got nauseous and sick and

1255
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:10,160
Jack was feeling sick yeah and driving

1256
01:00:14,530 --> 01:00:12,530
the car vacanam they were kind of

1257
01:00:16,990 --> 01:00:14,540
nonchalant about the whole thing but

1258
01:00:19,930 --> 01:00:17,000
they told those guys that haw ass they

1259
01:00:22,540 --> 01:00:19,940
went down the road quite a distance and

1260
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:22,550
they got out of the car and this woman

1261
01:00:33,370 --> 01:00:31,760
was behind him yeah it was there was a

1262
01:00:37,450 --> 01:00:33,380
creepy it was a creepy story it really

1263
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:37,460
was and there's a lot there's a lot of

1264
01:00:42,130 --> 01:00:39,530
those a challenge you know where these

1265
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,140
things or whatever they are are showing

1266
01:00:47,140 --> 01:00:45,040
up on highways and you know

1267
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:47,150
out-of-the-way roads and things like

1268
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,970
that and that of courses that's even

1269
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:51,440
creepier you know you're in the middle

1270
01:00:56,050 --> 01:00:53,569
of nowhere we don't expect to see

1271
01:00:57,609 --> 01:00:56,060
someone and then you do see a person you

1272
01:00:59,650 --> 01:00:57,619
know of course they're not in a vehicle

1273
01:01:01,660 --> 01:00:59,660
or anything so your first thought you

1274
01:01:04,180 --> 01:01:01,670
know your mindset is oh wow you know

1275
01:01:07,150 --> 01:01:04,190
these people okay what's going on here

1276
01:01:10,059 --> 01:01:07,160
and you know you stop to try to help and

1277
01:01:13,870 --> 01:01:10,069
you get this whole you know really

1278
01:01:19,690 --> 01:01:13,880
unnerving experience and you know

1279
01:01:23,859 --> 01:01:19,700
there's like a grinning man encounter

1280
01:01:28,660 --> 01:01:23,869
down Carolina did you know yeah I gotta

1281
01:01:33,849 --> 01:01:28,670
hear about this yeah that's that's in

1282
01:01:37,210 --> 01:01:33,859
strange intruders actually III did hear

1283
01:01:39,460 --> 01:01:37,220
I have I always say when it comes to

1284
01:01:43,870 --> 01:01:39,470
this type of phenomena I think that

1285
01:01:45,490 --> 01:01:43,880
sometimes I really believe that a lot of

1286
01:01:46,930 --> 01:01:45,500
factors come into play and that one of

1287
01:01:49,150 --> 01:01:46,940
the factors that come into play I

1288
01:01:54,220 --> 01:01:49,160
believe are certain combinations of

1289
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:54,230
people make for greater possibilities of

1290
01:01:59,170 --> 01:01:56,450
experience and strange things

1291
01:02:00,910 --> 01:01:59,180
and you know throughout my life I've

1292
01:02:03,130 --> 01:02:00,920
investigated in research with a lot of

1293
01:02:07,060 --> 01:02:03,140
different people and it's a small

1294
01:02:08,530 --> 01:02:07,070
handful of them that I know that if you

1295
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:08,540
know I'm in the field of this person

1296
01:02:15,460 --> 01:02:12,410
that the the possible of these it's no

1297
01:02:17,770 --> 01:02:15,470
really you know really go up through the

1298
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:17,780
roof and Jacey's one of us now I can go

1299
01:02:23,050 --> 01:02:19,250
on the field with Jason II as something

1300
01:02:25,150 --> 01:02:23,060
is gonna freaking happen but you know I

1301
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:25,160
had this this friend for a lot of years

1302
01:02:33,819 --> 01:02:29,359
in North Carroll and he was not

1303
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:33,829
interested in this phenomena and you

1304
01:02:37,150 --> 01:02:35,570
know he would sort of tolerate it he has

1305
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:37,160
a little bit of interest maybe and some

1306
01:02:40,290 --> 01:02:38,810
UFO stuff and everything but for the

1307
01:02:43,870 --> 01:02:40,300
most part you know he just thought it

1308
01:02:45,310 --> 01:02:43,880
and he used to joke that man anytime I'm

1309
01:02:48,670 --> 01:02:45,320
hanging out with you something weird

1310
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:48,680
happens well here we were we were

1311
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:51,770
driving on this very remote stretch of

1312
01:02:58,300 --> 01:02:56,450
road and it's it's really an area I've

1313
01:02:59,770 --> 01:02:58,310
been back there in years but I tenants

1314
01:03:01,960 --> 01:02:59,780
an area where you know you could drive

1315
01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:01,970
for several miles and need to see a farm

1316
01:03:06,790 --> 01:03:04,150
in here and there that would be it and

1317
01:03:09,010 --> 01:03:06,800
here we are you know we're driving it's

1318
01:03:12,550 --> 01:03:09,020
a beautiful day and would come to this

1319
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:12,560
stretch of road and ahead now I was in

1320
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:16,000
the passenger seat he was driving and

1321
01:03:24,250 --> 01:03:18,770
ahead of us on the right side of the

1322
01:03:26,349 --> 01:03:24,260
road idea figure and he's standing in

1323
01:03:29,020 --> 01:03:26,359
weeds that probably come you know up to

1324
01:03:30,490 --> 01:03:29,030
his knees or something now this is

1325
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:30,500
another one of those situations this is

1326
01:03:34,990 --> 01:03:32,930
not an area you know I I had driven this

1327
01:03:38,589 --> 01:03:35,000
road countless times this is not an area

1328
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:38,599
where you ever seen anybody walking and

1329
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:40,970
you know or standing or anything like

1330
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:44,569
that and the woods are pretty dense you

1331
01:03:49,540 --> 01:03:47,930
know so it's you know it's high weeds

1332
01:03:51,849 --> 01:03:49,550
and a ditch and plays like this and

1333
01:03:53,230 --> 01:03:51,859
here's this figure staying on the side

1334
01:03:58,240 --> 01:03:53,240
of the road it was on my side of the

1335
01:04:00,760 --> 01:03:58,250
road and as we approached it it was the

1336
01:04:06,730 --> 01:04:00,770
weirdest thing lawn because you know

1337
01:04:08,589 --> 01:04:06,740
there was just something something

1338
01:04:09,790 --> 01:04:08,599
different what's happening I'll say it

1339
01:04:12,910 --> 01:04:09,800
that way as we

1340
01:04:16,330 --> 01:04:12,920
this figure I'm watching him through the

1341
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:16,340
windshield and as we get closer and it

1342
01:04:21,490 --> 01:04:18,110
seems like everything sort of slowing

1343
01:04:27,610 --> 01:04:21,500
down I'm looking at this figure he's

1344
01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:27,620
wearing a long coat he's wearing a top

1345
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:28,150
hat

1346
01:04:41,470 --> 01:04:38,480
style he had one of his cans sort of up

1347
01:04:44,260 --> 01:04:41,480
under his chin rubbing his his thumb and

1348
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:44,270
his fingers together well so it says you

1349
01:04:49,180 --> 01:04:46,850
know kind of creepy in itself and you

1350
01:04:51,850 --> 01:04:49,190
know below this coat you see this this

1351
01:04:54,190 --> 01:04:51,860
shiny belt lotions the other thing that

1352
01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:54,200
I really remember but the thing that

1353
01:05:02,800 --> 01:04:57,110
stood out the most was this figure had

1354
01:05:06,010 --> 01:05:02,810
this bizarre grin that it really is not

1355
01:05:07,210 --> 01:05:06,020
humanly possible you know I expected on

1356
01:05:09,970 --> 01:05:07,220
it later I don't even put this in the

1357
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:09,980
book I think that it it reminded me of

1358
01:05:16,090 --> 01:05:13,610
the choker you know the Batman film from

1359
01:05:18,580 --> 01:05:16,100
the comics that just had this hideously

1360
01:05:21,970 --> 01:05:18,590
large grin that went up both sides of

1361
01:05:27,090 --> 01:05:21,980
his face and he was making eye contact

1362
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:27,100
with us has the car cast him and as we

1363
01:05:34,090 --> 01:05:30,290
went by him I shipped in my days from

1364
01:05:36,850 --> 01:05:34,100
the windshield to my passenger window to

1365
01:05:39,460 --> 01:05:36,860
continue looking at him he was he was

1366
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:39,470
glaring down into the car with the

1367
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:46,450
Sidious trend and has we passed him I

1368
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:51,530
shat around to look out the rear window

1369
01:06:00,460 --> 01:05:55,250
and he was standing in the middle of the

1370
01:06:03,910 --> 01:06:00,470
road staring at car now obviously it's

1371
01:06:06,340 --> 01:06:03,920
not he it's almost as if he had

1372
01:06:08,620 --> 01:06:06,350
teleported from that position on the

1373
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:08,630
side of the road to be dead center of

1374
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:10,970
the road staring this car has a terrible

1375
01:06:19,660 --> 01:06:17,330
way and you know of course tamo drivers

1376
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:19,670
just freaking out you know and he's like

1377
01:06:23,350 --> 01:06:21,680
oh my god what was that I might stop the

1378
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:23,360
car up the car

1379
01:06:29,410 --> 01:06:26,210
he's like you're right enough yeah God

1380
01:06:31,150 --> 01:06:29,420
isn't backwards but I said no I said I

1381
01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:31,160
just I just want to see it - gasps de

1382
01:06:34,930 --> 01:06:32,510
Larroque because we had one around a

1383
01:06:37,570 --> 01:06:34,940
curve and I said come on man just stop

1384
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:37,580
the car and just turn around and you

1385
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:40,010
know so this argument ensues for a few

1386
01:06:45,070 --> 01:06:42,770
seconds and I get in to stop the car and

1387
01:06:47,620 --> 01:06:45,080
I said look I said just I want to see if

1388
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:47,630
this guy's still there and and you know

1389
01:06:50,350 --> 01:06:48,770
he's like well you know the guy's

1390
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:50,360
probably some freaking psycho that's

1391
01:06:54,070 --> 01:06:51,890
gonna slash this up or whatever you know

1392
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:54,080
this is the error the slasher films and

1393
01:06:58,750 --> 01:06:56,090
everything he knows you know how old we

1394
01:06:59,950 --> 01:06:58,760
know I'm what man just turn the car back

1395
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:59,960
around go part ways

1396
01:07:04,690 --> 01:07:01,520
just so we can see if he's still there

1397
01:07:08,290 --> 01:07:04,700
to be sure need to do a u-turn it goes

1398
01:07:10,450 --> 01:07:08,300
back you know about 2/3 of the way to

1399
01:07:12,430 --> 01:07:10,460
the spot where this guy was just nothing

1400
01:07:17,020 --> 01:07:12,440
can't see this guy anyway

1401
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:17,030
I jumped out of the car oh you know and

1402
01:07:22,330 --> 01:07:19,490
I like that go running up the road and

1403
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:22,340
I'm running on the pavement itself none

1404
01:07:24,850 --> 01:07:23,930
of the vehicles he rarely saw anybody

1405
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:24,860
else back area

1406
01:07:30,810 --> 01:07:28,130
I run back to this location where this

1407
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:30,820
guy was there's no sign of him anywhere

1408
01:07:37,450 --> 01:07:35,810
now in the in the we deed to the area

1409
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:37,460
where he was standing there so different

1410
01:07:41,890 --> 01:07:40,010
impression is like any non stoutness was

1411
01:07:47,550 --> 01:07:41,900
something standing there was something

1412
01:07:52,180 --> 01:07:47,560
there but the woods were so dense that

1413
01:07:54,730 --> 01:07:52,190
you know there's no way that a figure

1414
01:07:57,730 --> 01:07:54,740
especially one dressed like that could

1415
01:07:59,530 --> 01:07:57,740
an avid quickly into the trees and you

1416
01:08:01,300 --> 01:07:59,540
know he would have had to have you know

1417
01:08:04,330 --> 01:08:01,310
jumped over this [\h__\h] and then across a

1418
01:08:06,310 --> 01:08:04,340
you know another little semi open area

1419
01:08:08,620 --> 01:08:06,320
and then into the trees you know just

1420
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:08,630
again not something humanly possible but

1421
01:08:16,780 --> 01:08:12,050
man I want a bizarre bizarre figure this

1422
01:08:18,490 --> 01:08:16,790
was and it actually sort of rolled into

1423
01:08:22,090 --> 01:08:18,500
a bunch of other things this happened

1424
01:08:27,570 --> 01:08:22,100
because there was some weird incidents

1425
01:08:30,670 --> 01:08:27,580
in the aftermath of this that night the

1426
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:30,680
we had an electrical storm in the area

1427
01:08:37,149 --> 01:08:35,290
it's a little bit unusual and the house

1428
01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:37,159
next door to

1429
01:08:45,070 --> 01:08:40,310
Tom the driver was struck by lightning

1430
01:08:47,019 --> 01:08:45,080
he caught fire and weird you know I mean

1431
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:47,029
I I mean notes of all stuff though this

1432
01:08:50,979 --> 01:08:48,290
is kind of strange

1433
01:08:54,610 --> 01:08:50,989
I had another and someone else contact

1434
01:08:57,399 --> 01:08:54,620
me about a UFO site around that same

1435
01:08:59,320 --> 01:08:57,409
time but they had seen a UFO that night

1436
01:09:02,470 --> 01:08:59,330
all this happened the same time that we

1437
01:09:04,899 --> 01:09:02,480
had seen this grinning man now what's

1438
01:09:07,180 --> 01:09:04,909
interesting is that you know I I made

1439
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:07,190
notes of this stuff and I think even at

1440
01:09:13,329 --> 01:09:10,730
the time you know didn't necessarily

1441
01:09:15,340 --> 01:09:13,339
connect this UFO sighting which is in a

1442
01:09:17,649 --> 01:09:15,350
different part of the county to this

1443
01:09:20,579 --> 01:09:17,659
grinning man occurrence you know thought

1444
01:09:24,340 --> 01:09:20,589
was interesting synchronicity but then

1445
01:09:25,780 --> 01:09:24,350
later on I taught the John teal about

1446
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:25,790
this stuff who you know was particularly

1447
01:09:29,709 --> 01:09:27,409
interested in these grinning man

1448
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:29,719
encounters and you know one of the

1449
01:09:34,030 --> 01:09:31,250
things he told me he said David he

1450
01:09:35,890 --> 01:09:34,040
should go he says you need to dig into

1451
01:09:39,610 --> 01:09:35,900
everything you can find he said you'll

1452
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,620
you will find some other phenomena

1453
01:09:42,660 --> 01:09:41,359
around that same period he says I can

1454
01:09:47,890 --> 01:09:42,670
almost guarantee it

1455
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:47,900
well I indeed that did prove to be right

1456
01:09:53,530 --> 01:09:51,040
you know I I did find a few other

1457
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:53,540
witnesses that had seen a UFO around the

1458
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:55,370
same time they also found another

1459
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:57,920
witness which unfortunately this was an

1460
01:09:59,800 --> 01:09:59,120
account all of this stuff is

1461
01:10:01,810 --> 01:09:59,810
pre-internet

1462
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:01,820
so you know very different world for

1463
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:04,400
researchers back then but there was a

1464
01:10:11,740 --> 01:10:07,840
small UFO group that was in a

1465
01:10:13,899 --> 01:10:11,750
neighboring state and they had some

1466
01:10:15,879 --> 01:10:13,909
documentation of a couple of UFO

1467
01:10:17,890 --> 01:10:15,889
sightings but they also had this really

1468
01:10:19,209 --> 01:10:17,900
weird report that they didn't follow up

1469
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:19,219
on because they didn't think anything

1470
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,170
now they about a woman who had in the

1471
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:26,719
same area of a UFO sighting had seen

1472
01:10:33,490 --> 01:10:29,449
what she described has someone dressed

1473
01:10:37,390 --> 01:10:33,500
as a hobo clown running across the road

1474
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:37,400
in front of her with a long coat on and

1475
01:10:45,250 --> 01:10:41,330
a big hat and a really freakishly large

1476
01:10:47,379 --> 01:10:45,260
brim now she saw this figure briefly so

1477
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:47,389
she thought you know oh it's only those

1478
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:49,130
old hobo clowns you know he's got that

1479
01:10:54,459 --> 01:10:51,610
grin painted on

1480
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:54,469
I can tell you the figure is all did not

1481
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:57,650
have this this hideous grin painted on

1482
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:01,280
in anyway I was doing you know I assumed

1483
01:11:09,250 --> 01:11:03,650
it was flesh you know what is natural

1484
01:11:11,020 --> 01:11:09,260
features but um you know it was it was a

1485
01:11:13,029 --> 01:11:11,030
good lesson from keel for me you know

1486
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:13,039
you'll always follow up you find okay

1487
01:11:17,290 --> 01:11:14,570
what other phenomenon can that's in at

1488
01:11:18,729 --> 01:11:17,300
the same time what else is going on you

1489
01:11:21,250 --> 01:11:18,739
know what are the other factors and

1490
01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:21,260
that's really when I reflected back on

1491
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:23,689
it and put all these different pieces

1492
01:11:27,429 --> 01:11:25,610
together and thought about this file

1493
01:11:30,339 --> 01:11:27,439
okay a weird electrical storm we've got

1494
01:11:33,219 --> 01:11:30,349
UFO sightings you know I don't have an

1495
01:11:36,370 --> 01:11:33,229
answer for what it all means but you

1496
01:11:40,949 --> 01:11:36,380
know I I can certainly say you know

1497
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:40,959
here's a grouping of strange phenomena

1498
01:11:44,949 --> 01:11:43,489
much of which we don't understand it all

1499
01:11:48,429 --> 01:11:44,959
occurred around the same you know

1500
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:48,439
proximity well I mean it's not much

1501
01:11:53,259 --> 01:11:50,090
different than what woody derenberger

1502
01:11:56,759 --> 01:11:53,269
said about with endured coal and you

1503
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:56,769
know then all the the UFO encounters and

1504
01:12:02,560 --> 01:11:59,840
you know the grinning man and all the

1505
01:12:06,429 --> 01:12:02,570
other weird stuff going on around Point

1506
01:12:13,540 --> 01:12:06,439
Pleasant back then that's right said the

1507
01:12:14,739 --> 01:12:13,550
same tell you it might have been yeah I

1508
01:12:16,509 --> 01:12:14,749
mean there's there's a lot of accounts

1509
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:16,519
of these grinning men and and of course

1510
01:12:23,229 --> 01:12:19,280
you know qu'il collected some of them in

1511
01:12:24,879 --> 01:12:23,239
his books you know then you've got these

1512
01:12:26,350 --> 01:12:24,889
areas you know long bars at Point

1513
01:12:31,799 --> 01:12:26,360
Pleasant I mean one of the most strange

1514
01:12:35,620 --> 01:12:31,809
place I I was there recently and just

1515
01:12:38,679 --> 01:12:35,630
think you know it's sort of a vortex of

1516
01:12:41,109 --> 01:12:38,689
weirdness I think town you know I was

1517
01:12:43,029 --> 01:12:41,119
there with a fellow investigator and we

1518
01:12:44,169 --> 01:12:43,039
had some strange things happening was we

1519
01:12:49,299 --> 01:12:44,179
spent a few days in the area

1520
01:12:50,949 --> 01:12:49,309
investigating and man I you know there's

1521
01:12:54,399 --> 01:12:50,959
something very different about that town

1522
01:12:56,949 --> 01:12:54,409
I don't even know exactly what words to

1523
01:13:01,179 --> 01:12:56,959
use but it it's an odd place it's

1524
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:01,189
there's a feeling too and yeah it is

1525
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:04,610
Jesus and I've been a

1526
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:06,170
the town's like that you know around the

1527
01:13:11,260 --> 01:13:08,449
country and and sometimes these places

1528
01:13:13,390 --> 01:13:11,270
you just I've gotten to the point we're

1529
01:13:16,330 --> 01:13:13,400
just driving into them you know I kind

1530
01:13:18,459 --> 01:13:16,340
of know this is one of those places and

1531
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:18,469
you can feel that there are a lot of

1532
01:13:25,570 --> 01:13:22,850
Secrets and a lot of you know a lot of

1533
01:13:28,290 --> 01:13:25,580
people have stories and you know a lot

1534
01:13:32,340 --> 01:13:28,300
of strange accounts and you know just

1535
01:13:34,689 --> 01:13:32,350
I'll tell you here's a little sample of

1536
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,699
what happened when we were in Point

1537
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:36,080
Pleasant I was there with another

1538
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:40,250
investigator fella named a sphinx and we

1539
01:13:44,020 --> 01:13:42,170
were investigating the the local hotel

1540
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:44,030
which is haunted it's one of the

1541
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:45,770
locations that he'll actually stayed in

1542
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:49,280
with humans investigating Mothman but we

1543
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:51,770
decided and we went out to the bunker

1544
01:13:55,300 --> 01:13:53,810
area a couple of times which anybody

1545
01:13:57,939 --> 01:13:55,310
familiar with the Mothman story you know

1546
01:14:02,340 --> 01:13:57,949
we'll know what that's about the bunker

1547
01:14:05,260 --> 01:14:02,350
area is really kind of an odd place and

1548
01:14:08,500 --> 01:14:05,270
we were driving around during daylight

1549
01:14:09,879 --> 01:14:08,510
hours and you know checked out a couple

1550
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:09,889
of the bunkers looked at some other

1551
01:14:17,410 --> 01:14:13,520
things and and this is gravel road we we

1552
01:14:20,379 --> 01:14:17,420
were driving this area further back and

1553
01:14:23,290 --> 01:14:20,389
in the bunkers and they was driving at

1554
01:14:27,070 --> 01:14:23,300
the moment he stopped the vehicle and we

1555
01:14:29,770 --> 01:14:27,080
got out because there was a deer carcass

1556
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:29,780
on the side of the road now it was in

1557
01:14:35,740 --> 01:14:34,159
this pull off area and at first we

1558
01:14:38,350 --> 01:14:35,750
thought I was it's a deer that's been

1559
01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:38,360
hit you know by a vehicle or something

1560
01:14:45,220 --> 01:14:42,710
we got out walked over to it and we we

1561
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:45,230
actually pass it initially and it was on

1562
01:14:49,660 --> 01:14:47,090
Dave side of the road he said hold on he

1563
01:14:53,850 --> 01:14:49,670
backed up we got out we what did this

1564
01:14:59,859 --> 01:14:53,860
carcass now here's where it gets bizarre

1565
01:15:02,890 --> 01:14:59,869
the deers can was gone but the lower jaw

1566
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:02,900
was there and we looked at this carcass

1567
01:15:08,260 --> 01:15:05,330
it looked like something had just ripped

1568
01:15:11,229 --> 01:15:08,270
the head off there were no gunshot

1569
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:11,239
wounds you know that I first thought was

1570
01:15:16,209 --> 01:15:13,130
oh you know it's hunters who you know

1571
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:16,219
after the antlers or whatever there were

1572
01:15:21,670 --> 01:15:18,290
no gunshot wounds

1573
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:21,680
they're manat what like the deer had

1574
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:26,570
been hit by a vehicle there were no tire

1575
01:15:32,380 --> 01:15:29,810
tracks there were no footprints there

1576
01:15:38,130 --> 01:15:32,390
was nothing around the carcass of this

1577
01:15:41,140 --> 01:15:38,140
deer it like for a very large area and

1578
01:15:42,910 --> 01:15:41,150
it you know for all intents and purposes

1579
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:42,920
ever wide this thing had just been

1580
01:15:48,700 --> 01:15:45,760
dropped down you know out of nowhere and

1581
01:15:50,530 --> 01:15:48,710
you know we even went so far as to go

1582
01:15:51,790 --> 01:15:50,540
off the gravel and then to the grass and

1583
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:51,800
it was searching the whole parameter

1584
01:15:55,900 --> 01:15:53,570
trying to find some kind of tracks or

1585
01:15:59,470 --> 01:15:55,910
signs of something else that had been

1586
01:16:02,020 --> 01:15:59,480
there and you know no predator had

1587
01:16:08,190 --> 01:16:02,030
touched this animal and it had clearly

1588
01:16:10,330 --> 01:16:08,200
been there for you know maybe a few days

1589
01:16:12,910 --> 01:16:10,340
because it had some of the bloating and

1590
01:16:15,250 --> 01:16:12,920
everything but not a single predator had

1591
01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:15,260
touched it now those coyotes around

1592
01:16:19,810 --> 01:16:17,420
there and this crows is no small kind

1593
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:19,820
scavengers but nothing that touched this

1594
01:16:26,380 --> 01:16:23,840
animal now it got weirder because when

1595
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:26,390
we looked up this dirt road from the

1596
01:16:35,260 --> 01:16:29,410
direction we had come there was a canid

1597
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:35,270
walking in the road but guys this thing

1598
01:16:40,930 --> 01:16:38,480
was walking with his back really hunched

1599
01:16:43,180 --> 01:16:40,940
up it was not a coyote it was it was

1600
01:16:45,370 --> 01:16:43,190
dark-colored weight you know our first

1601
01:16:47,230 --> 01:16:45,380
thought was coyote know what then I said

1602
01:16:51,460 --> 01:16:47,240
no no it's just you know look at the

1603
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:51,470
coloring and the tail and in fact you

1604
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:52,730
know we're looking at it really close

1605
01:16:58,960 --> 01:16:56,570
and and it maybe maybe could have been a

1606
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:58,970
wild dog with mange or something but

1607
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:00,080
I'll be darned if it didn't look like

1608
01:17:06,340 --> 01:17:02,650
one of these touches Chupacabra things

1609
01:17:08,170 --> 01:17:06,350
and this thing was was walking really

1610
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:08,180
strange and sort of circled in the road

1611
01:17:14,850 --> 01:17:10,010
you know we're scrambling trying to get

1612
01:17:17,140 --> 01:17:14,860
cameras out and you know up on it and

1613
01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:17,150
this thing barks off the side of the

1614
01:17:22,330 --> 01:17:19,910
road so you know we went up the road

1615
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:22,340
quickly to try to get you know a better

1616
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:24,110
view over the better course and it had

1617
01:17:28,750 --> 01:17:26,570
taken off into the trees and so forth

1618
01:17:33,070 --> 01:17:28,760
surrounding the bunkers and it was gone

1619
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:33,080
but you know how weird and that's just a

1620
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:35,330
small face of the weirdness of Point

1621
01:17:45,210 --> 01:17:43,370
Pleasant Rob Shaw who lives around there

1622
01:17:48,910 --> 01:17:45,220
I mean he lives in the area and he's

1623
01:17:51,250 --> 01:17:48,920
investigating you know hominid and

1624
01:17:53,410 --> 01:17:51,260
sightings and Dogman sightings and you

1625
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:53,420
know would you describe sounds a lot

1626
01:18:00,130 --> 01:17:57,410
like what he described before right and

1627
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:00,140
some of the I mean he's even sent me

1628
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:04,490
some some some audio files on some of

1629
01:18:09,730 --> 01:18:07,040
the way these things sound and it is

1630
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:09,740
just not a coyote and it's not a wolf

1631
01:18:15,130 --> 01:18:13,370
it's something different there's

1632
01:18:17,050 --> 01:18:15,140
something there's some around there and

1633
01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:17,060
you know you talked about the carcass

1634
01:18:22,510 --> 01:18:20,000
and imp redditors not scavengers not

1635
01:18:24,250 --> 01:18:22,520
touching it I mean that sounds a lot

1636
01:18:28,180 --> 01:18:24,260
like the incidence with these

1637
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:28,190
mutilations I mean these cattle and such

1638
01:18:33,070 --> 01:18:30,080
are you know they're deposited at or

1639
01:18:36,970 --> 01:18:33,080
whatever happens to them and exactly

1640
01:18:39,610 --> 01:18:36,980
those scavengers they just don't and and

1641
01:18:41,860 --> 01:18:39,620
you know we we have to wonder I mean

1642
01:18:43,330 --> 01:18:41,870
that's you know that's just not you know

1643
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:43,340
the scavengers that's part of the

1644
01:18:47,950 --> 01:18:45,770
natural cycle and it always happens I

1645
01:18:49,870 --> 01:18:47,960
mean you have no highway you see a

1646
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:49,880
carcass of scavengers on it or they've

1647
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:52,610
been you know picked it over and you

1648
01:18:57,250 --> 01:18:54,410
know this is really weird I mean this is

1649
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:57,260
a prime area out around the bunker sends

1650
01:19:02,770 --> 01:19:00,800
a lot of wildlife out there and you know

1651
01:19:04,810 --> 01:19:02,780
all of these scavengers are going to

1652
01:19:07,210 --> 01:19:04,820
make a meal of that as wild dogs as

1653
01:19:10,420 --> 01:19:07,220
coyotes as pros everything else and any

1654
01:19:13,480 --> 01:19:10,430
nothing and touch that carcass no you

1655
01:19:17,230 --> 01:19:13,490
know that's that in itself that's a

1656
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:17,240
strange mystery it's just not it's just

1657
01:19:21,250 --> 01:19:19,610
not in that and you have to wonder me as

1658
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:21,260
their supernatural element is there

1659
01:19:25,780 --> 01:19:23,450
something you know scientific is there

1660
01:19:28,450 --> 01:19:25,790
something coming off that animal carcass

1661
01:19:32,260 --> 01:19:28,460
that prevents any scavenger from going

1662
01:19:34,300 --> 01:19:32,270
near it you know cuz I was even I I mean

1663
01:19:37,090 --> 01:19:34,310
I was even down you know looking on the

1664
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:37,100
ground trying to find you know there

1665
01:19:42,100 --> 01:19:39,890
were any signs of birds having landed

1666
01:19:43,959 --> 01:19:42,110
there or anything to even check it out

1667
01:19:47,140 --> 01:19:43,969
and nothing had been around

1668
01:19:50,430 --> 01:19:47,150
nothing we we did find one anomalous

1669
01:19:52,839 --> 01:19:50,440
footprint that was really strange

1670
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:52,849
but you know it's just a singular print

1671
01:19:59,200 --> 01:19:56,449
and it it you know look like maybe a

1672
01:20:01,350 --> 01:19:59,210
bare human print or something but then

1673
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:01,360
itself of course is odd - this was uh

1674
01:20:06,279 --> 01:20:04,010
see this is about a month ago so you

1675
01:20:08,649 --> 01:20:06,289
know cold weather two months two months

1676
01:20:10,540 --> 01:20:08,659
ago I'm sorry but you know cold weather

1677
01:20:12,430 --> 01:20:10,550
and anybody out there walking barefoot

1678
01:20:15,609 --> 01:20:12,440
and they didn't make just one footprint

1679
01:20:18,969 --> 01:20:15,619
and leave you know so weird stuff really

1680
01:20:20,739 --> 01:20:18,979
weird stuff that is I I gotta get up

1681
01:20:23,140 --> 01:20:20,749
there again I gotta get up there and do

1682
01:20:25,390 --> 01:20:23,150
some investigation all right you know I

1683
01:20:27,910 --> 01:20:25,400
I keep saying I'm gonna go up everybody

1684
01:20:30,430 --> 01:20:27,920
Roadtrip some of yeah some of the

1685
01:20:34,209 --> 01:20:30,440
reports we get from that I get just

1686
01:20:39,009 --> 01:20:34,219
myself from in that area even upriver

1687
01:20:40,979 --> 01:20:39,019
further well the whole Wow Valley is to

1688
01:20:43,660 --> 01:20:40,989
our River Valley he's got some weird

1689
01:20:47,109 --> 01:20:43,670
phenomena to go that happens but you

1690
01:20:48,969 --> 01:20:47,119
know it's just you're right it's just

1691
01:20:52,149 --> 01:20:48,979
something you feel when you go there

1692
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:52,159
it's like yeah I mean it's it it's the

1693
01:20:58,060 --> 01:20:56,449
creep factor yeah it really is it really

1694
01:21:00,939 --> 01:20:58,070
is I mean you kind of drive into town

1695
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:00,949
and you know in the one hand you've got

1696
01:21:06,189 --> 01:21:03,440
okay it's just a small town America you

1697
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:06,199
know it's kind of it's obviously been

1698
01:21:12,580 --> 01:21:09,440
hit by the economy you know downturn and

1699
01:21:14,979 --> 01:21:12,590
you know it's there's that whole side of

1700
01:21:16,689 --> 01:21:14,989
it and then it sounds sort of you know

1701
01:21:18,100 --> 01:21:16,699
rolls up the sidewall so that's five

1702
01:21:20,890 --> 01:21:18,110
o'clock I mean that there's nothing

1703
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:20,900
going on but you take all those things

1704
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:23,360
out of that and there's something else

1705
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:26,570
in the equation that it's just it's it's

1706
01:21:32,770 --> 01:21:29,840
weird there's something really odd about

1707
01:21:34,270 --> 01:21:32,780
the place now you know it could be the

1708
01:21:35,919 --> 01:21:34,280
land it could be you know there's a

1709
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:35,929
whole legend of the curse of chief

1710
01:21:41,229 --> 01:21:38,960
cornstalk you know Point Pleasant itself

1711
01:21:42,669 --> 01:21:41,239
has had a lot of different things

1712
01:21:45,580 --> 01:21:42,679
historically I mean there was a battle

1713
01:21:47,259 --> 01:21:45,590
of a revolutionary battle there and

1714
01:21:50,500 --> 01:21:47,269
there's a lot of different things that

1715
01:21:52,270 --> 01:21:50,510
come into play in that area so you know

1716
01:21:54,609 --> 01:21:52,280
the residual energy alone and then of

1717
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:54,619
course the collapse of the Silver Bridge

1718
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:57,050
and the Mothman sightings you know

1719
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:01,280
that's a huge imprint on the place and

1720
01:22:08,350 --> 01:22:03,530
in fact we were there in December for

1721
01:22:09,940 --> 01:22:08,360
the anniversary of collapse and man

1722
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:09,950
that's you know it's a real solemn

1723
01:22:13,390 --> 01:22:11,330
occasion and of course they you know

1724
01:22:16,420 --> 01:22:13,400
they do a saying in the public square

1725
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:16,430
and read the names of the people who

1726
01:22:21,490 --> 01:22:17,840
were lost during the tragedy and

1727
01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:21,500
everything else but all of that aside

1728
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:24,110
there there's it's one of those places

1729
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:25,730
and you know there's a bunch of them

1730
01:22:28,990 --> 01:22:26,810
around the country and around the world

1731
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:29,000
it's one of those places that there's

1732
01:22:37,390 --> 01:22:34,130
something just just not well hate hate

1733
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:37,400
when you go there well the town really

1734
01:22:42,930 --> 01:22:39,770
pays homage to all these things all

1735
01:22:46,210 --> 01:22:42,940
around it there's murals and statues and

1736
01:22:48,670 --> 01:22:46,220
you know historical plaques all around

1737
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:48,680
the town it's it's definitely got a feel

1738
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:49,130
to it

1739
01:22:53,950 --> 01:22:51,890
yeah David it does and and of course you

1740
01:22:55,690 --> 01:22:53,960
got the Mothman museum you know it

1741
01:22:58,060 --> 01:22:55,700
commemorates all the sightings in the

1742
01:22:59,620 --> 01:22:58,070
face that happened there and you know

1743
01:23:02,920 --> 01:22:59,630
that's one of the only paranormal

1744
01:23:04,150 --> 01:23:02,930
museums in the world you know and

1745
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:04,160
they're doing that's a cool little place

1746
01:23:09,660 --> 01:23:06,410
and of course they had the big Mothman

1747
01:23:12,730 --> 01:23:09,670
festival every year and you know they do

1748
01:23:14,530 --> 01:23:12,740
you sort of celebrate that whole you

1749
01:23:15,820 --> 01:23:14,540
know aspect of weirdness and that's

1750
01:23:20,370 --> 01:23:15,830
that's really cool as far as I'm

1751
01:23:22,780 --> 01:23:20,380
concerned but it's curious to me that

1752
01:23:24,670 --> 01:23:22,790
you know we talk to a lot of people and

1753
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:24,680
there are people there with Sporty's

1754
01:23:28,510 --> 01:23:27,050
that don't want to talk about you know

1755
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:28,520
things they've encountered and things

1756
01:23:35,490 --> 01:23:31,130
that have happened and they don't want

1757
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:35,500
talks about it so there's this one

1758
01:23:40,930 --> 01:23:38,770
aspect there that there's something

1759
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:40,940
there are obviously some things that

1760
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:42,770
have happened there that are are

1761
01:23:47,020 --> 01:23:44,570
unsettling in a different way and I'm

1762
01:23:50,290 --> 01:23:47,030
talking about in the modern context you

1763
01:23:52,570 --> 01:23:50,300
know and people are just not comfortable

1764
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:52,580
with sharing some of that stuff at this

1765
01:24:01,290 --> 01:23:57,920
point so David what kind of book project

1766
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:01,300
you got coming up do you have any clamp

1767
01:24:06,839 --> 01:24:04,570
I do right I have actually a few things

1768
01:24:09,390 --> 01:24:06,849
coming out this year and I've hardly

1769
01:24:12,419 --> 01:24:09,400
thought about this at all this is this

1770
01:24:15,740 --> 01:24:12,429
is almost an exclusive the next thing

1771
01:24:19,799 --> 01:24:15,750
coming out is called wood knocks and

1772
01:24:21,660 --> 01:24:19,809
this is its paperback book but it's I'm

1773
01:24:24,359 --> 01:24:21,670
calling in the journal it actually

1774
01:24:27,149 --> 01:24:24,369
includes contributions from a bunch of

1775
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:27,159
other cryptozoologists and it's it's a

1776
01:24:33,330 --> 01:24:30,489
sasquatch themed book so it's going to

1777
01:24:36,270 --> 01:24:33,340
have a chapter by a wild blackburn king

1778
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:36,280
gerhard did a chapter I did a chap to

1779
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:39,280
myself my my chapter is on Sasquatch

1780
01:24:46,140 --> 01:24:43,679
encounters on the Navajo Reservation and

1781
01:24:49,140 --> 01:24:46,150
we we've got some mail we've got some

1782
01:24:51,359 --> 01:24:49,150
great people in there Linda Godfrey the

1783
01:24:55,459 --> 01:24:51,369
chapter on Wisconsin Sasquatch

1784
01:24:58,680 --> 01:24:55,469
encounters Lyles is on on some Texas

1785
01:25:01,560 --> 01:24:58,690
Sasquatch material so it's going to be

1786
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:01,570
really great I'll be giving people a

1787
01:25:07,709 --> 01:25:04,210
sneak peek of the cover in the next

1788
01:25:09,540 --> 01:25:07,719
couple weeks and it's by artist Sam

1789
01:25:15,419 --> 01:25:09,550
chair and who did my strange intruders

1790
01:25:21,839 --> 01:25:15,429
cover so you know that cause I've ever

1791
01:25:24,569 --> 01:25:21,849
seen any any crypto apparel he is a

1792
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:24,579
fantastic artist he really is and I

1793
01:25:28,919 --> 01:25:27,250
think I swear become he does something

1794
01:25:31,410 --> 01:25:28,929
for me it's just better and better

1795
01:25:32,549 --> 01:25:31,420
coming down he's just you know it helps

1796
01:25:36,930 --> 01:25:32,559
me got a big interest in the field

1797
01:25:40,049 --> 01:25:36,940
himself and you know so it's an artist

1798
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:40,059
his passion so he is he is really

1799
01:25:46,049 --> 01:25:43,840
phenomenal he really is so so anyway

1800
01:25:47,729 --> 01:25:46,059
wood knots is coming out that'll be out

1801
01:25:52,649 --> 01:25:47,739
probably within the next couple of

1802
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:52,659
months I've got a DVD coming out that

1803
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:55,210
it's going to have some material from a

1804
01:25:59,609 --> 01:25:57,130
haunted location on it that's something

1805
01:26:01,919 --> 01:25:59,619
that I've put together a couple of other

1806
01:26:06,299 --> 01:26:01,929
guys add a stinks and my tricks occur

1807
01:26:08,220 --> 01:26:06,309
and beyond that Wow just I got man I got

1808
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:08,230
so many projects and so much stuff going

1809
01:26:13,229 --> 01:26:10,690
on and it's all good I love what I do so

1810
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:13,239
just you know keep an eye on the blog

1811
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:15,130
and follow me on Facebook and stuff

1812
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:16,930
there's really a lot of exciting stuff

1813
01:26:22,050 --> 01:26:18,970
coming up this year well I like to have

1814
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:22,060
you come back and talk about it I mean I

1815
01:26:27,330 --> 01:26:25,570
look forward are you doing that yeah

1816
01:26:30,150 --> 01:26:27,340
anytime guys you know you you're one of

1817
01:26:32,220 --> 01:26:30,160
those shows that you know usually you

1818
01:26:34,110 --> 01:26:32,230
just need to make it in my schedule and

1819
01:26:35,390 --> 01:26:34,120
I usually try to make time for it so

1820
01:26:39,780 --> 01:26:35,400
it's always a pleasure

1821
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:39,790
okay well thanks again and good luckily

1822
01:26:49,220 --> 01:26:42,970
a project thanks alright guys it's been

1823
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:49,230
great thanks a lot David appreciate it

1824
01:26:56,850 --> 01:26:53,130
good night YouTube

1825
01:27:00,510 --> 01:26:56,860
David whether we folks to crows

1826
01:27:02,340 --> 01:27:00,520
paranormal blog spot.com is where you

1827
01:27:09,390 --> 01:27:02,350
can go for more information on him good

1828
01:27:12,210 --> 01:27:09,400
show tonight lon hate to interrupt guys

1829
01:27:15,300 --> 01:27:12,220
like GC is just get out there and dig up

1830
01:27:20,370 --> 01:27:15,310
a stuff and oh yeah he never disappoints

1831
01:27:22,980 --> 01:27:20,380
and his last book the the strange

1832
01:27:25,170 --> 01:27:22,990
intruders book that that's like a that's

1833
01:27:27,660 --> 01:27:25,180
a reference to man I mean there's a lot

1834
01:27:29,010 --> 01:27:27,670
of odd stuff in there oh yeah and

1835
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:29,020
there's I mean you can find stuff to

1836
01:27:33,780 --> 01:27:30,850
talk about they do five or six shows

1837
01:27:36,930 --> 01:27:33,790
with it so I'm looking forward to this

1838
01:27:40,740 --> 01:27:36,940
new book I think you myself

1839
01:27:42,060 --> 01:27:40,750
David and JC did take road trip sounds

1840
01:27:46,980 --> 01:27:42,070
good to me we're gonna have a lot of fun

1841
01:27:48,690 --> 01:27:46,990
I guess sounds good me next week William

1842
01:27:50,630 --> 01:27:48,700
Michael mod will be joining us as a

1843
01:27:53,490 --> 01:27:50,640
paranormal researcher and author of

1844
01:27:56,460 --> 01:27:53,500
caverns Colton's and concealed creatures

1845
01:28:01,560 --> 01:27:56,470
that's a title and he'll be joining us

1846
01:28:03,900 --> 01:28:01,570
next week Monday night at 10 p.m.

1847
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:03,910
Eastern I forgot what time we came on

1848
01:28:08,670 --> 01:28:06,970
the air it happens you know he's talking

1849
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:08,680
about that grinning man and it just

1850
01:28:12,540 --> 01:28:10,960
gives me goosebumps yeah that's that's

1851
01:28:19,170 --> 01:28:12,550
weird

1852
01:28:23,250 --> 01:28:19,180
you read it though it's he had it it was

1853
01:28:24,770 --> 01:28:23,260
part of the endured Col grinning man

1854
01:28:28,850 --> 01:28:24,780
section he had in the book

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and that whole phenomena is strange and

1856
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you know he talked about the UFO

1857
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encounters and such that are you know

1858
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that were part of that endured Col

1859
01:28:44,319 --> 01:28:39,770
situation that John keel wrote about

1860
01:28:46,370 --> 01:28:44,329
weird stuff I mean really strange so

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well we talked about Point Pleasant

1862
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:49,860
there Point Pleasant there at the end in

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01:28:54,220 --> 01:28:51,210
the chat room I was telling folks

1864
01:28:56,569 --> 01:28:54,230
tonight that when you're in the TNT area

1865
01:29:00,049 --> 01:28:56,579
they have a plant there that has these

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01:29:02,689 --> 01:29:00,059
cooling towers and they go up into the

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01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:02,699
air and they have these bright bright

1868
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:05,730
red LEDs red lights on them and it just

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01:29:13,790 --> 01:29:07,770
makes you feel like something's watching

1870
01:29:15,740 --> 01:29:13,800
it it's creepy as hell but it does have

1871
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:15,750
that weird you don't ya

1872
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build to it I mean it really does well

1873
01:29:23,180 --> 01:29:20,760
I'll be there this September again yeah

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hopefully I can get uh person I mean II

1875
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:25,050
think going on this year I don't know

1876
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:27,570
but I'm gonna try and do it Road Trip

1877
01:29:31,939 --> 01:29:31,650
road trip I can't get off these road

1878
01:29:33,740 --> 01:29:31,949
trips

1879
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:33,750
anyhow folks you've been listening to

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01:29:40,250 --> 01:29:38,210
arcane radio Sean for launch Strickler

1881
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:40,260
thanks for stopping in with us tonight

1882
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and we'll see you next week

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01:29:48,770 --> 01:29:45,570
and archive will be posted tomorrow on

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01:29:50,990 --> 01:29:48,780
Tuesday go to stitcher radio comm leave

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01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:53,250
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01:30:00,080 --> 01:29:58,440
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01:30:01,729 --> 01:30:00,090
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